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Wicking problem from hell---Need help!!

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I got easy one for you , guys. Would you use VLM or HWE? 1-8**- junk?
It's very sad that landlords don't have adequate access to their property to keep tenants in check. In any case, great negligence on both sides....
 

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I got easy one for you , guys. Would you use VLM or HWE? 1-8**- junk?
It's very sad that landlords don't have adequate access to their property to keep tenants in check. In any case, great negligence on both sides....
And unfortunately landlords dont get enough money in security deposit to cover it all.
Nor do they have the power to remove them. They can squat for another 3 months or more throughout the eviction process. Further detroying the place.

Lol we worked for a guy who couldn't get these 2 people kicked out in the 90's. It was a bad winter. Temp would not go over 10 during the day and was high winds. Lol he took off all the doors on the house. Interior and exterior. 2 days they lasted before leaving :D
 
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We did a lab test many years ago that is instructive in this situation. We weighed a small nylon and polyester carpet along with pad. We weighed out the exact amount of money and applied it to the carpet and pad in a tray, We dried both with a spot claw using only a spotting machine. We removed 80% of the water from the nylon and only 50% of the water from the polyester.

Polyester, triexta, olefin do not absorb water in the fiber so it quickly goes into the carpet backing and pad. For the nylon, water is absorbed into the fiber as some will find the backing and pad.

In the situation above a lot of residues sit in the pad and the backing. Flushing will do some but in the experiment above 50% of the water was not removed. Quick drying will limit some of the wicking. An encapsulant will focus on the surface and the polymers will limit wicking. For the carpet above there probably will still be issues, but they will be less than the experience above.

In the future encapsulation cleaning is the best option to limit wicking.
 

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We did a lab test many years ago that is instructive in this situation. We weighed a small nylon and polyester carpet along with pad. We weighed out the exact amount of money and applied it to the carpet and pad in a tray, We dried both with a spot claw using only a spotting machine. We removed 80% of the water from the nylon and only 50% of the water from the polyester.

Polyester, triexta, olefin do not absorb water in the fiber so it quickly goes into the carpet backing and pad. For the nylon, water is absorbed into the fiber as some will find the backing and pad.

In the situation above a lot of residues sit in the pad and the backing. Flushing will do some but in the experiment above 50% of the water was not removed. Quick drying will limit some of the wicking. An encapsulant will focus on the surface and the polymers will limit wicking. For the carpet above there probably will still be issues, but they will be less than the experience above.

In the future encapsulation cleaning is the best option to limit wicking.
This gets me to doing something really dangerous. Thinking!! LOL

Way Way back when new. And discovering the world of IICRC courses.
One of the first I took being the carpet cleaning 101, ONe of the Hanks was the teacher. If that tells you how long ago it was. !!

But , besides his shoe brush,LOL (some will know of what I speak) one of the demos he used was water in the paper cup, and how a little soap in one caused it to not hold water.

I wonder if the manufacturers of this new wonder fiber recommend water only because they know what detergent will do. Added to that is the PCEOTOs , ( prior cleaning efforts of the owner;)). In all reality knowing what is going to happen in the real world. ???
 
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Did you shine a black light on it to see if it‘s an optical brightener/ some other glowing solution?
Yes I did which was odd because there was absolutely no sign of any section of the carpet fluorescing under the light despite the customer telling me she was sure the dog had peed in several of the spots. I use the black light from TMF and I even shut the curtains and had the customer look with me and there was nothing at all
 

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We did a lab test many years ago that is instructive in this situation. We weighed a small nylon and polyester carpet along with pad. We weighed out the exact amount of money and applied it to the carpet and pad in a tray, We dried both with a spot claw using only a spotting machine. We removed 80% of the water from the nylon and only 50% of the water from the polyester.

Polyester, triexta, olefin do not absorb water in the fiber so it quickly goes into the carpet backing and pad. For the nylon, water is absorbed into the fiber as some will find the backing and pad.

In the situation above a lot of residues sit in the pad and the backing. Flushing will do some but in the experiment above 50% of the water was not removed. Quick drying will limit some of the wicking. An encapsulant will focus on the surface and the polymers will limit wicking. For the carpet above there probably will still be issues, but they will be less than the experience above.

In the future encapsulation cleaning is the best option to limit wicking.
I agree. Another thing to note is after using the water claw I did place fans on the spots I cleaned as well as turned on the ceiling fans in the room. Normally, a carpet is dry within a few hours at most under these conditions. With this particular home however, the following morning when I would go back to pick up my fans the carpets were still damp which I have NEVER seen happen before. The house is unusually cold. I mentioned it to the customer and she said something about the house and large salt water aquarium that is built into the wall work hand and hand. The Air conditioner in some way is also responsible for cooling the fish tank. I had wondered if this in some way was making the wicking issue more problematic. When I would finish the job, the carpet was barely damp and not a drop of water could be seen coming thru the water claw because it was about as dry as I could get it yet it would be slightly damp the next morning despite a ceiling fan and a fan place directly in front of the section the water claw was used.
 

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This gets me to doing something really dangerous. Thinking!! LOL

Way Way back when new. And discovering the world of IICRC courses.
One of the first I took being the carpet cleaning 101, ONe of the Hanks was the teacher. If that tells you how long ago it was. !!

But , besides his shoe brush,LOL (some will know of what I speak) one of the demos he used was water in the paper cup, and how a little soap in one caused it to not hold water.

I wonder if the manufacturers of this new wonder fiber recommend water only because they know what detergent will do. Added to that is the PCEOTOs , ( prior cleaning efforts of the owner;)). In all reality knowing what is going to happen in the real world. ???
Thats a very good point. I mean, what carpet manufacturer only recommends cleaning carpet with just hot water? Not only do they only recommend using ONLY water ----they advise to only use their carpet cleaning product which in most cases is not unusual but it might be something of interest with this particular type of carpet.
 

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I had a problem like this once. Ended up being heavy urine in the underpad along with self cleaning using those dumb grocery store machines.
I was thinking the same thing as well but when using the TMF black light and even with the shades closed----there was no sign of fluorescing anywhere on the carpet. This does however remind me that I missed a step in my original statement. During the 2nd day I did apply Rob's urine remover to a few of the stains---allowed it to dwell for about 20 minutes and then flushed it all out----then went back with the rinsing.
 

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Also - keep in mind that "Rhino" test, I could easily load that carpet with a ton of protectant chemicals. Voila! Cleans easy. A wand wouldn't clean that shit so well.
Something is up with that video. It makes that carpet look like the most awesome carpet ever made and her I am having an issue with an 11 year old girls bedroom and her small pet dog and I can't seem to clean the carpet for sh*t. I feel like that backing of that carpet was sealed to prevent anything from getting below the carpet because there is simply no way anyone cleaned up all that piss using mostly just water and their fancy carpet cleaning product.
 

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Did you shine a black light on it to see if it‘s an optical brightener/ some other glowing solution?
Yes and oddly enough there were no signs of anything despite the customer mentioning she was sure the dog had peed in a few of those spots before----I did however forget to mention on day 2 that I did apply some urine treatment to a few of the spots and those are still problematic as well.
 

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Doing property management with a vendor key means I can follow up on every freaking job I want, when I want. I know perfectly well what works, when and how.... the world is my oyster.

The advantage I have over you is that I have 50,000 more jobs than you have ever done to figure things out. I do residential, commercial and rental....
Wow relax Jim, I wasn't even directing that at you lol.

Its all good your a carpet cleaning god, were all mortals
 
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Yes I did which was odd because there was absolutely no sign of any section of the carpet fluorescing under the light despite the customer telling me she was sure the dog had peed in several of the spots. I use the black light from TMF and I even shut the curtains and had the customer look with me and there was nothing at all
Did you use a hydro-sensor to poke in the carpet because the urine pulls moisture from the air?
 

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I was thinking the same thing as well but when using the TMF black light and even with the shades closed----there was no sign of fluorescing anywhere on the carpet. This does however remind me that I missed a step in my original statement. During the 2nd day I did apply Rob's urine remover to a few of the stains---allowed it to dwell for about 20 minutes and then flushed it all out----then went back with the rinsing.
I found, that on these polys , after cleaning and doing a urine treatment, the flourescense is gone. I questioned this a few times, and at some point someone with more knowledge than myself confirmed that it does clean off of those.
sort of like nylon or wool vs. a poly or olefin, which cannot be dyes. The things that penetrate do not penetrate the polys, and olefins.
 

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The hot water cleaning only is just a gimmick carpet sales people use to sell the carpet as easy to maintain or cheap to clean....I mean who washes their clothes with water only? Who washes anything with water only for that matter...
 

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We did a lab test many years ago that is instructive in this situation. We weighed a small nylon and polyester carpet along with pad. We weighed out the exact amount of money and applied it to the carpet and pad in a tray, We dried both with a spot claw using only a spotting machine. We removed 80% of the water from the nylon and only 50% of the water from the polyester.

Polyester, triexta, olefin do not absorb water in the fiber so it quickly goes into the carpet backing and pad. For the nylon, water is absorbed into the fiber as some will find the backing and pad.

In the situation above a lot of residues sit in the pad and the backing. Flushing will do some but in the experiment above 50% of the water was not removed. Quick drying will limit some of the wicking. An encapsulant will focus on the surface and the polymers will limit wicking. For the carpet above there probably will still be issues, but they will be less than the experience above.

In the future encapsulation cleaning is the best option to limit wicking.
So is it possible that cleaning using HWE with very low pressure and water flow would help? Sounds similar to the way Olefin doesn't absorb water.
 

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I got easy one for you , guys. Would you use VLM or HWE? 1-8**- junk?
It's very sad that landlords don't have adequate access to their property to keep tenants in check. In any case, great negligence on both sides....
I know you'd be wondering, so...