Whats the best machine and process when the Truckmount cant be used for commercal jobs

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Some guys seem to have a desire to stay old world, make less, go slower, lower quality and brag about it.
Dear John, Old World or REALITY? You may notice that the Dinosaurs on here prefer the OLD WORLD Methods at times BECAUSE they are tried, true and TESTED! How many new Fangled Equipment(wands,scrubbers,etc) do you read about on TMF that has to be 'Modified' to perform as promised? Old School is KNOWLDEGE! The Ol' ...Been there Done That thang is REAL! Slower? Make Less? Quality? Bragging? Never heard that from an Old timer... Just sound advise that all of us should if nothing else, Take a LOOK AT! Every Now & then I learn a heap from the Peanut Gallery and I'm older than DUST!:cool:
 

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E I used the Cimex on every job imaginable and it saved my a$$ countless times BUT since i have had the Trinity Rock i no longer can ever see using the Cimex again. The Rock out performs the Cimex on all levels. It really surprised me to see the Rock out scrub the Cimex with a micro fiber pad compared to the Cimex using a fiber pad.

I have always said that Cimex is the undisputed King of scrub BUT now their is a new kid in town setting a new standard.

Since you have both machines, can you run them side by side for a video comparison?
 

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I love picking on PadPrick. We've been going at it for years. We have a rather complex relationship. I am sure he would like to punch me in the throat. I, on the other hand, agree with some of what he says, but am always amazed at his lack of control. If you listen to him, you'd get the impression that there is not a situation in which you can't use his machines. I believe that there is no method that can be the best in EVERY situation.

I can believe that there is a POSSIBILITY that his new machines can perform better than a Cimex on commercial glue down carpets. (Another red X coming from Jimmy.)
 

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It's just madness to claim you can get a carpet as clean as a TM when all you're doing is spinning a pad on it.

But alas Marty and I both have seen some dumsumbites who buy into the myth.

Just like those who believe that encap pixie dust will eNcAPsULATE dirt.

All it really does is leave a dry non soil attracting RESIDUE.
 

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I love picking on PadPrick. We've been going at it for years. We have a rather complex relationship. I am sure he would like to punch me in the throat. I, on the other hand, agree with some of what he says, but am always amazed at his lack of control. If you listen to him, you'd get the impression that there is not a situation in which you can't use his machines. I believe that there is no method that can be the best in EVERY situation.

I can believe that there is a POSSIBILITY that his new machines can perform better than a Cimex on commercial glue down carpets. (Another red X coming from Jimmy.)
Short of flood work (which I don't want to do anyways) you can get the same results as a TM with OP, and I am pretty confident from videos and specs that the trinity is better performing than my orbot too. The real question on the job site isn't "what can get this clean?", rather "what can get this clean the fastest, and best?"

I encountered a situation the other day with a ton of paint all over the carpet. Now an OP could clean this just fine, however that particular situation would have been better matched for a high heat, high flow, TM. BUT for what I do day to day an OP machine works just as good as a TM I'd say 80% of the time. The other 20% I still get the job done with either my OP or porty, but know I could have done a better and/or faster job with a TM, but because it is such a small amount of my work it simply doesn't warrant the TM purchase for me. On upholstery or t&g I really prefer the HWE. On almost all carpet I prefer to VLM.

I think part of the difference is that I started using encap about 12 years ago and never used HWE until recent. So obviously I know how to do well and VLM is my go-to based on experience and habit. However I do think that regardless of any method or tools as long as you like what you are doing and can make money doing it than that is all that matters.

I honestly hate using HWE with the hoses and hot lines etc and wouldn't really enjoy cleaning carpet if that was my main method. BUT the real reason I love VLM is because I charge the same as HWE cleaners and have less overhead, less headaches, less physical labor, and so on. NOW certain business models other than my own might find work easier with a TM and I do understand that, it's just not the best option for me. Many other cleaners on here with similar businesses to me could probably seamlessly switch to VLM and save a butt load of time, money, and headaches.
 
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Short of flood work (which I don't want to do anyways) you can get the same results as a TM with OP, and I am pretty confident from videos and specs that the trinity is better performing than my orbot too. The real question on the job site isn't "what can get this clean?", rather "what can get this clean the fastest, and best?"

I encountered a situation the other day with a ton of paint all over the carpet. Now an OP could clean this just fine, however that particular situation would have been better matched for a high heat, high flow, TM. BUT for what I do day to day an OP machine works just as good as a TM I'd say 80% of the time. The other 20% I still get the job done with either my OP or porty, but know I could have done a better and/or faster job with a TM, but because it is such a small amount of my work it simply doesn't warrant the TM purchase for me. On upholstery or t&g I really prefer the HWE. On almost all carpet I prefer to VLM.

I think part of the difference is that I started using encap about 12 years ago and never used HWE until recent. So obviously I know how to do well and VLM is my go-to based on experience and habit. However I do think that regardless of any method or tools as long as you like what you are doing and can make money doing it than that is all that matters.

I honestly hate using HWE with the hoses and hot lines etc and wouldn't really enjoy cleaning carpet if that was my main method. BUT the real reason I love VLM is because I charge the same as HWE cleaners and have less overhead, less headaches, less physical labor, and so on. NOW certain business models other than my own might find work easier with a TM and I do understand that, it's just not the best option for me. Many other cleaners on here with similar businesses to me could probably seamlessly switch to VLM and save a butt load of time, money, and headaches.
I agree but only on CGD or close relative. Unless I am slow i just cant see using on thicker carpet. I am understanding more and more and like the possibilities of vlm on commercial. I have a chance to really try it out in the coming year. If I can get same results as some of you guys I will cheerlead more. currently TM 90% . Today me and tech blasted 32 hotel rooms in 3 hours drive up to drive off. But for the inside halls and huge open areas I am planning for I will be looking for a angle. plan on rinsing prior companies crap out first. I cant wait to see how it does on these casinos.
 

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Nice to see the love spread around…..

I have Cimex, CRB (Whittaker, Rotowash and CoBB/Orbitec, Dual Speed Rotary, Orbitec, Oreck and Trinity OP machines.
This winter I've used the TrinityFreedom OP on many residential jobs with super fast drying times in inclement weather and satisfied clients. It's slower in some settings than HWE but easier to set up and the van isn't getting rained on with doors open and hoses pulled. I cleaned a preschool last friday night that I last cleaned in January this year. Really soiled. It's run by the City of Emeryville for low income families. The Trinity OP did a great job on the really spotted classrooms, but I used my dual speed rotary on many of the less soiled areas being both faster and easier to push on those areas.

One thing that has to be included in the discussion is the price your client is willing to pay for services. If price is no object, I'm going to use my deepest cleaning tools and spend the time I need to restore the carpets to as near like-new conditions as I can. When the client presents a limited budget, lots of dirty carpet, no apparent maintenance program in place and is unwilling to even consider the idea, I'm going to choose the tool that will give me the best visual results in the shortest amount of time. It often is a 300/320 rpm rotary. Sometimes it is a crb with onboard sprayer, sometimes an OP with sprayer…I seldom use my Cimex machines any more…too hard to push.
 

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That company doesn't make it anymore.
Probably because it didn't work.
A 175 is the way to go to keep the money down.
The TRINITY will set you back at least $4500
I wouldn't buy it for that reason alone.

A 175 is a very good tool. My Trinity Profit cost $2000. The new Spirit is $1995….same motor, orbit, drive mechanism but with a smaller driveplate. The Freedom is $2995. I paid for both my Profit and Freedom machines easily in less than two weeks of work.
 

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Ok have used them all Trinity,Mini Max,175 rotary,cimax,crb. For starting out hands down start with a 175 rotary it can do as good of job as any machine and the most reasonably priced. Cimax scrubs great but thats all it does like said many times its just a one trick pony and so I believe the most over priced machine there is. Crb is a great tool and I dont leave home without it but I use it to first agitate in my encap then use a bonnet to pick up the soil. But to start out a 175 can do all of this and will save you money. but if you have the money buy what you want.
 
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Ok have used them all Trinity,Mini Max,175 rotary,cimax,crb. For starting out hands down start with a 175 rotary it can do as good of job as any machine and the most reasonably priced. Cimax scrubs great but thats all it does like said many times its just a one trick pony and so I believe the most over priced machine there is. Crb is a great tool and I dont leave home without it but I use it to first agitate in my encap then use a bonnet to pick up the soil. But to start out a 175 can do all of this and will save you money. but if you have the money buy what you want.

You can buy any pad you want for the cimex....
 

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It effectively and easily strips vct; deep scrubs vct, cleans carpets, scrubs rugs in pits; cleans concrete, scarifies concrete; is used by the Royal Navy to clean the decks of their ships (original use ); can be used to scrape ice from freezer floors; polishes; cleans rubber floors (the ones with the raised dots-try that with a rotary) ;cleans wood decks etc; all with no side torque! This pony may in fact know only one trick, and that trick is making ANY scrubbing job much easier and more effective. I own two of the Cimex machines, had several crb machines, own an orbital machine, too many 175's to count. All are good, but for the money, compare the Cimex to any other floor machine and it stands alone.
 

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Guys I am not trying to start a war Just my opinion but to me the bonnets dont run very well of them and they also dont hold the pad drivers very well. The biggest thing is I am not against buying one but is it really what you think someone should start out with if they have no other machine?
 

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Reflecting on this thread a little longer, I'd look into a dual speed rotary with a shampoo tank. It is amazingly versatile for cleaning carpets, striping and polishing VCT, washing and polishing hardwood floors, cleaning tile and grout, concrete. I recently sold a very well used Edic Saturn dual speed rotary. I cleaned well over 1,000,000 SF of gluedown with that machine. I have the Mytee Dual Glide now and have been quite pleased with having the speed control, solution feed and handle angle All on the cross handle. The only things I'd like on it are larger wheels. It has 5" ball bearing wheels, but the 10" wheels on the trinity fools easier and are fantastic for pulling the machine up a flight of stairs.

Bonnet Pro has bonnets and pads optimized for his rotary machine. I'd buy a 17" machine. The Mytee is around $1000 with shampoo tank. Below is before and after on a wood floor in Marin...no new finish, just cleaned the dirt and polished with a white fiber pad... No chems. This job paid for my machine....
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What's the best 1 man process for cleaning jobs like apartment/hotel hallways, large offices, high rise building locations where there is no truck mount access. I'm looking to purchase something I can operate my self mostly for long hallways

If you need something for what you described above then you should consider the CarpetMax.
http://bonnetpro.com/carpetmax/features.html

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