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Lol these people bought all the hand sanitizer. All the toilet paper. All the ready wipes. All the rubbing alcohol. But the soap is still in full stock lol. I guess physically washing hands is too hard or impossible for most. Lazy ass dirt balls
 

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Or just have Scott W walk into any building and all bacteria/viruses will instantly flee knowing the impending doom that awaits them in a mere 10 minutes of his arrival.
 
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I have been wondering this myself. The GBAC, associated with the ISSA has significant resources for training and certification, and something called gMIST...still don't know what that is. They published an almost prophetical article last September that is very intriguing. Here it is: https://www.issa.com/articles/gbac-and-microbial-warfare

For more information on the GBAC, you can find it and other links here: https://cleanfax.com/news/gbac-merges-issa/. Or, just visit www.gbac.org.

The best sources I have found so far regarding contamination mitigation and our industry include the following:

And for those who want to get into this a little deeper: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2017.01031/full

For a primer on a varient of h2o2 fogging, there is something called iHP fogging, or, "Ionized hydrogen peroxide" fogging that you can start with here: https://www.cleanroomcleaning.com/hydrogen-peroxide-fogging/

So, lots of hacks or simply uninformed professionals will get into the act...possible (maybe likely) endangering themselves and their clients. But fogging with h2o2 (hydrogen peroxide) may provide the most simple and effective way to do large scale viral decontamination of surfaces in buildings. This may actually go a very long way to helping out communities ride out and recover from this upcoming pandemic.

I think we need (well, I do) more information on how this all works, but our entire industry could be instrumental in minimizing the negative impacts of this virus on our society, economy and individual lives. But we will need to get a move on if we are to do so.
 

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As products clear testing (which can ONLY be done in a very small selection of bio-labs, so it's going to be a long process), FIFRA and the CDC will announce them. It's an ongoing process.

So far, there are lists of products that are allowed to make a "novel virus claim" (meaning they will likely be effective based on what they already kill). These include quats, phenolics, thymol, and chlorine bleach. More will be added as time passes and testing continues.

But remember, ANY product for which you are getting PAID to apply it comes with liability issues.

And any antimicrobial which makes a kill claim on its label carries strong restrictions - you MUST FOLLOW LABEL DIRECTIONS WITHOUT DEVIATION. If it says you must rinse afterward, you MUST rinse. If it's only labeled for hard surfaces, you CANNOT apply it to soft surfaces like carpet. The majority of antimicrobials are labeled for hard surface use only.

Using an antimicrobial product in a way for which it is not labeled is not only unethical and dangerous, it is ILLEGAL. So is making a kill claim if you aren't using a product that carries that claim AND is used according to directions for that claim.

Customers are starting to panic, and they want reassurance that they won't get sick. YOU CANNOT MAKE THAT GUARANTEE. At most, you can offer to sanitize their carpet for their peace of mind. In a situation like this, the carpet is just about the last place they're going to be picking up cooties. They're much more likely to get sick from contact with other people.

It's tempting to capitalize on fear. Don't be that guy.
Thank you for that perspective, Scott! I have been closely following this since early January. My wife is immune compromised, with a weakness for lung infections. I posted below what I have found so far...basically revolves around h2o2 fogging. But i only know enough to get in trouble at this point. Anyway, you are right about what you shared...and many cleaners will do more harm than good promising something they can never deliver...to the detriment of themselves and their clients, I suspect.
 

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As products clear testing (which can ONLY be done in a very small selection of bio-labs, so it's going to be a long process), FIFRA and the CDC will announce them. It's an ongoing process.

So far, there are lists of products that are allowed to make a "novel virus claim" (meaning they will likely be effective based on what they already kill). These include quats, phenolics, thymol, and chlorine bleach. More will be added as time passes and testing continues.

But remember, ANY product for which you are getting PAID to apply it comes with liability issues.

And any antimicrobial which makes a kill claim on its label carries strong restrictions - you MUST FOLLOW LABEL DIRECTIONS WITHOUT DEVIATION. If it says you must rinse afterward, you MUST rinse. If it's only labeled for hard surfaces, you CANNOT apply it to soft surfaces like carpet. The majority of antimicrobials are labeled for hard surface use only.

Using an antimicrobial product in a way for which it is not labeled is not only unethical and dangerous, it is ILLEGAL. So is making a kill claim if you aren't using a product that carries that claim AND is used according to directions for that claim.

Customers are starting to panic, and they want reassurance that they won't get sick. YOU CANNOT MAKE THAT GUARANTEE. At most, you can offer to sanitize their carpet for their peace of mind. In a situation like this, the carpet is just about the last place they're going to be picking up cooties. They're much more likely to get sick from contact with other people.

It's tempting to capitalize on fear. Don't be that guy.
Sorry...Mama Fen...not Scott W. My bad...
 

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Yeah I think this whole thing is silly. No children have died, it's only really killing those who were on a low health spectrum anyways or are long time smokers.
Well....it is not silly if you happen to be one of those people who have an immune compromising autoimmune disease like Lyme, TB, Crohns or a host of others...like my wife has. Let us not get caught into the trap of..."it is only an issue for the sick and elderly"...like they are worth less than the young and healthy. Unless you are "blessed" by being hit by a truck or die in a plane crash, you to will likely be one of the sick and/or elderly at some point in your life.

This disease has a higher infection rate, a higher kill rate, and is contagious without symptoms much longer than the flu. It is a different animal...and will have far reaching effects, whether or not you think it is serious or not. We need to educate ourselves, make prudent preparations, and look out for those need a hand...not make fun of them (not saying you are), or make light of them. Just something to think about...
 

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I have a sympathy for everybody. Nature on the other hand doesn't. Inducing mass panic and fear on something that may only affect/kill a small number of immuno-compromised is the larger problem here.
 
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MarketWatch has a real good article called “ Deadly Viruses are no match for plain old soap ....... here’s the Science behind it .”
Goes into a lot more than just “ wash your hands “ .
Excellent article with information ALL CLEANERS should be familiar with . Hope it helps .
All the Best , Ed
 
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I have a sympathy for everybody. Nature on the other hand doesn't. Inducing mass panic and fear on something that may only affect/kill a small number of immuno-compromised is the larger problem here.
I can appreciate that. And you make a good point...many will probably die, not because of the virus itself but because of its effects on society...lay off induced suicide, assault in a Walmart parking lot, limited bed space at hospitals when your appendix ruptures, etc. There is an argument for keeping things going as normally as can be. And mass panic will not help anyone...well except the people selling stuff off of it. But this virus isn't just another flu, and like it or not, many are afraid, some for good reason. This will have a ripple effect in our society. My goal is to walk in faith, without my head in the sand, and try to be part of a solution, if even only for just one other person...and not be part of the problem. I sense the same holds true for you. Hopefully some of the more brilliant minds in our industry can help with this, if only better ways to protect our employees from getting sick in the field.
 

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As of right now 14% of infected in my area have died... but the biggest outbreak was at a care facility.

A nursing home we service had an outbreak.. no chance I'm entering that building until this is done.

Some of these dumbasses on the fb groups might actually catch some serious blowback thinking they are out here disinfecting buildings.
Agree...This will have a very large effect on all Americans...even the preppers who have stashed themselves out in the woods somewhere. My wife is immune compromised and we are getting treatments to improve her in the Phoenix area. But shopping here with 3 confirmed cases in the area (and who knows how many unconfirmed...its not like they are testing thousands of people yet), well, I wear an N95 mask (mostly to keep my own stupid hands off my face, lol), and lots of washing, etc. even wiping down what we buy. Yesterday, not one roll of toilet paper at Wallmart. But this really sucks for people in retirement centers and the like. We as a nation have been much to slow on implementing proper protocol to slow the spread and make this more manageable.
 

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My degrees at NCSU were Microbiology and English. Two things that don't seem to have much in common at first glance... until you realize that both of them are the study of things that seem to exist for the sole purpose of breaking the rules.

Viruses in particular are incredible, glorious, terrifyingly efficient constructs. Science still can't quite determine whether or not to classify them as living things, because they lack several of the qualities that we use to determine whether or not something classifies as a "living thing" or a "life form".

Viruses do not need to metabolise; they require no energy and produce no ATP. They have no "birth", "death", or "growth" stages. They are far more similar to seeds (which are inert until they land in an environment conducive to growth) than they are to any living thing.

And yet, the instant a virus touches a cell, it explodes into being.

Complex interactions begin at lightning speed, and suddenly this inert, seemingly dead mechanism roars into action and turns the cell into a reproductive factory. The viral DNA (or RNA) unfolds like an unzipped zipper, and begins re-writing the genes of the host cell.

And in the process, some of the copies are imperfect - a sequence gets dropped, or exchanged for another sequence out of order - and the viruses mutates... which is a phenomenon that we ONLY see in life forms.

If one looks at the most current maps of the COVID-19 outbreak, one sees a pattern quickly emerging that is breathtaking in its efficiency.

This microscopic organism with no motility (no means of propelling itself; no feet, no wings, not even a flagellum), which is so simple in comparison to us that it has only 30,000 base pairs in its entire gene sequence (humans have over 3 BILLION), is swiftly using our bodies to establish itself in every major port area around the globe.

It has a foothold on the shores of every continent that carries a stable human population. And it didn't need to lift a finger (which it doesn't have anyway) to do so.

I cannot help but be fascinated by these things. I admire them, I respect them, but I am not afraid of them. They are designed flawlessly, they do what Nature has created them to do with ruthless efficiency, and they have no emotions to get in the way of their function. We think of them as a destructive force, but the more we discover about them the more we realize that our relationship with them is symbiotic... in other words, we could not survive without them.

There's frankly a LOT we could learn from them.

Yes, this virus will impact our elderly, our young, and our ill more than it will the healthy and the strong.

As human beings, we are unique in our insistence in caring for those who cannot care for themselves. What we call "natural selection" in animals, we refuse to accept for ourselves because we see ourselves as 'more evolved than that'.

As a result, we have set up hospitals and assisted living facilities - artificial environments FULL of the sick, the wounded, and the compromised - in the hopes of healing those who would otherwise die... and in the process, we have given this virus an ideal playground upon which to unleash its machinery.
Very interesting. What are your thoughts (coming back to the subject of the thread) on h2o2 fogging? I posted on the bio-hazard page some links to studies done regarding the efficacy of h2o2 fogging for room decontamination as compared with chlorine dioxide. To my uneducated brain...it seems to be a possible option for quickly decontaminating buildings with less risk, greater efficacy and shorter time. But so much about this virus is unknown. How long can it stay on a surface and still be a problem? But...if even 90% effectiveness could be achieved, wouldn't that help? Here are two links you might appreciate from my post over there. curious what you think.
 
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Very interesting. What are your thoughts (coming back to the subject of the thread) on h2o2 fogging? I posted on the bio-hazard page some links to studies done regarding the efficacy of h2o2 fogging for room decontamination as compared with chlorine dioxide. To my uneducated brain...it seems to be a possible option for quickly decontaminating buildings with less risk, greater efficacy and shorter time. But so much about this virus is unknown. How long can it stay on a surface and still be a problem? But...if even 90% effectiveness could be achieved, wouldn't that help? Here are two links you might appreciate from my post over there. curious what you think.
Those are 3- and 4-year old articles featuring applications in food prep and office buildings. I have not done ANY research on peroxide fogging, and am not qualified to speak to its efficacy in this particular situation.
 
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This is a true proven chemical .
 

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I'm seeing a lot of guys talking about advertising for this on the Facebook group's and its laughable.

Its breaking out hard here in WA state with about 130 infected and 10% of them have died.

To think a 1 man show carpet cleaner is going to attempt to go in a building and sell a fix for this is just plain idiotic.

You should see what the buildings look like here that have been hit with the virus, it's pretty serious. Leave it to the government and people who know wtf their doing to handle the decontamination.
My dad works as Bastyr in Kenmore. He said looking at a map of the outbreaks, there in the center of a circle. Called it the viral kill zone. All classes are being taught online there right now, he has his custodial staff deep cleaning. nothing particularly special, campus is basically empty so they're taking advantage to do the deep cleaning they normally do over spring break. Several companies have come in trying to sell him on electrostatic cleaning to disinfect the facility. It's shown to be effective at limiting the spread if done correctly but so has just wiping off contact surfaces with a cleaner/disinfectant wipe which his custodians do daily anyway. The sales pitches always have one big hole in it. What happens when people reenter the building come Monday? It's a feelgood measure.

Some of the facebook guys worry me that they're going to potentially be more dangerous than the virus. Someone talking about waking up not feeling good, taking a high dose of left over antibiotics, heading out to clean the home of an elderly client and trying to upsell her on disinfecting by fogging the whole house with Clo2. Like, high, I'm sick and just brought it into your house, but pay me extra and I'll pump your home full of chlorine gas to kill whatever virus I've contaminated your home with.
 

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Man, wife just got back from walmart said the entire toilet paper isle was empty. Im in sw missouri lol
 
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Yeah man,
$25 and never buy toilet paper again.