What’s the future of direct drive Truckmounts?

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What is the future of direct drive TM’s when Chevy stops making their vans and goes to Euro style this year? Will just box trucks be available?
 

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If they were smart (wich they usually arent) they would go with either a hydraulic (a good hydraulic) setup or an actual pto that mounts to the tranny pto plate like every other industry in the world.
They should team up with an established pto manufacturer thats been doing them for years like spicer or dana and put something out that works every day no matter what
 

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If they were smart (wich they usually arent) they would go with either a hydraulic (a good hydraulic) setup or an actual pto that mounts to the tranny pto plate like every other industry in the world.
They should team up with an established pto manufacturer thats been doing them for years like spicer or dana and put something out that works every day no matter what
See. I knew that you knew your sht. 9-10 man ;)
 

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I agree with SRD they need to go to hydraulic and make changes.

Direct drive will always be popular up north...BUTLER.....

In Texas I know of no one within 200-300 around AUSTIN that has one....
and all the distributers I talk to in Texas do not carry them or don't know how to work on them........

mainly because of overheating the van in 115 degree texas heat and humid coast areas.

All the distributers tell me the same thing...
Skide-ins get better heat.....and more vacuum......
 
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I like the idea of a direct drive electric motor like the xdrive, electric power and combustion engine power are two different animals.
I would almost guarantee the pto manufacturers that have been doing it for years prob already have a setup that would be amazing for our application and they prob have it for just about any vehicle we would use in our industry. If they dont i would bet they could come up with something thats amazing pretty quick
 

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Either that or switch to a 3 phase electric motor like the XDrive units with the generator under the hood.

I’ve been following cleaners who have X Drives for couple years now. Interesting concept.
 

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I truly think if someone would develope a pto driven machine that was fairly easy to install that gave someone the option of running say a 47 up to a 59 had pressure washing capability (and i mean real pressure washing capabilities) that ran at least 240 degrees or more and it wasnt priced out of reach they would take over our industry
 

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I’ve been following cleaners who have X Drives for couple years now. Interesting concept.
Xdrive is a cool concept but what are the advantages over a traditional pto other than torque from being electric motor driven?
I may be wrong but it seams like having more parts, more electrical, more complicated design would outweigh the advantages of having more torque vs a traditional well built pto system
 

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Xdrive is a cool concept but what are the advantages over a traditional pto other than torque from being electric motor driven?
I may be wrong but it seams like having more parts, more electrical, more complicated design would outweigh the advantages of having more torque vs a traditional well built pto system

I think the advantage is not violating the warranty by avoiding direct engine components.
 

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I think the advantage is not violating the warranty by avoiding direct engine components.
Not sure but ford chevy dodge have pto plates right on the transmission if it would void their warranty why would they have it designed into their trannys? Plus if you buy say a new wrecker pto doesnt void original factory warranty why would it on a carpet cleaning van?
Nevermind didnt realize you were refering to the xdrive my bad
 

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Don't forget wrecker trucks are using big trucks. Our industry vans. That's why I am working on these...

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No drive shaft seems to be a major advantage - I'd still like to use one and try it out before seriously thinking of buying it. As in most things, there is always a trade off somewhere.
 

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No drive shaft seems to be a major advantage - I'd still like to use one and try it out before seriously thinking of buying it. As in most things, there is always a trade off somewhere.
I think one of the trade offs was the side difference with it being a bit bigger and the tank lid a little more set back. It's a small one but just one I noticed since a lot of people like the Hydramaster for the tiny footprint.
 

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Unless Nissan gets in the game, the future looks bleak except for Isuzu like Aerotech style trucks.