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uchavy76

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Another industry source . . .

A March 25, 2011 quote from Bill Bruders (Sapphire Scientific president) on the former White Magic running a mist of water thru the blower for cooling:


Larry
Why is it, that you always try to discredit Amtex or what Amtex build?
I have seen you on different posting always trying to come up with ways to either push customers away from going Amtex
or if they have bought Amtex, you try to put doubts in their mind that they made a bad decision.
I am a Amtex's Customer owing their units and they are great and I used to work for a company owning
your unit and every week we had problem with your blower locking up and we had to visit repair shop weekly to unlock them.
Also it would take almost forever to heat up water.
 

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uchavy76,

Let's me see if I understand this:

1. One TM manufacturer (of twenty or so) runs dirty water directly thru the blower.

2. The blowers are made of cast iron and treated with a rust preventative before it leaves the factory.

3. You think the cast iron in the blower won't rust,
because you run more water thru your blower.

. . . REALLY . . .

Any TM blower can lock up due to rust on cast iron . . .

but manufactuers should not purposely run slugs of water thru the blower.

I maintain that for any TM manufacturer.

Larry
 

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Talked to Ben yesterday about taking my waste tank off my 59 blower and unfortunately wont work.He said anything over a 33 there is to much surface area.What he is saying is the water recovery is to great and would restrict the engine (bog it down)so therefore not happening.To bad I was ready to take out the tank.
 

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I just have one question for Mr. Ben.....how do you contain the water. It is not appropriate to let it just SPEW all over the place(van,driveway,yard and myself). I need a hose on the other end so I can pump it somewhere and I don't want to drag a 2" hose everywhere to let the blower exhaust/water be put in the right spot.
 

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Mr tile pro, its easy don't buy one! But if you would like to know the options and benifits of having a prowler, ask! No need to put down (implied by you). because you don't want to lug a 2in hose. So lame. I have a 50ft 2in hose that i run to the 2.5 in pvc(gray water) that 95% of all homeowners have here. And all is well. And you also can buy a waste tank, and run direct. And for Mr larry. wd40 at the end of the day. blower looks great! That is a fact! Because i am an owner of one! And its over 6yrs old. Runs great!

P.S (wisdom) Don't try and make yourself look good, by making someone else look bad! after the 3rd grade. it comes back on you!
 
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Mr tile pro, its easy don't buy one! But if you would like to know the options and benifits of having a prowler, ask! No need to put down (implied by you). because you don't want to lug a 2in hose. So lame. I have a 50ft 2in hose that i run to the 2.5 in pvc(gray water) that 95% of all homeowners have here. And all is well. And you also can buy a waste tank, and run direct. And for Mr larry. wd40 at the end of the day. blower looks great! That is a fact! Because i am an owner of one! And its over 6yrs old. Runs great!

P.S (wisdom) Don't try and make yourself look good, by making someone else look bad! after the 3rd grade. it comes back on you!

You are totally taking my words the wrong way. Sorry if it came out that way I was just trying to understand why that system is better. It seems like it works but is far from the ideal setup. I would like all the sandy,dirty water separated from the airstream BEFORE it gets sucked through the blower. I would think that it works fine but a short lived blower my be the outcome. I understand that they are affordable but a small waste tank would work better IMO.
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uchavy76,

Let's me see if I understand this:

1. One TM manufacturer (of twenty or so) runs dirty water directly thru the blower.

2. The blowers are made of cast iron and treated with a rust preventative before it leaves the factory.

3. You think the cast iron in the blower won't rust,
because you run more water thru your blower.

. . . REALLY . . .

Any TM blower can lock up due to rust on cast iron . . .

but manufactuers should not purposely run slugs of water thru the blower.

I maintain that for any TM manufacturer.

Larry


You are always pushing the subject that waste water should not go through blower, and as much as you always monitor this forum or others, there have been no report of any damage being done to Prowler's blowers because of this application.
IMO it is not fair to put down a manufacture that came up with such a smart design.
You also mentioned "cast iron"....Aren't high power transfer pumps used to deflood basements with high water have cast iron impalers in them?, so we should not run water through them either right?
As for your blower getting locked on your "DYNACHEM" truckmount, believe me we did lubricated it so we don't get yelled at by the owner of the company for the same repeating problem, but not knowing that at the time why? and now owing an Amtex Infernos without the same problem, it gives me the feeling that probably your design of having the blower so close to your waste tank was causing that.
So for someone who is so concerned and worried about waste water running throught their blowers, you need to redesign your "DYNACHEM" machine so it would not lock up so much.
As for "One TM manufacturer (of twenty or so) runs dirty water directly thru the blower" you are right, absolutly right.
it is also:
A. One TM manufacture (of twenty or so) Have made it possible to purchase a high power TM at resonable pricing.
B. One TM manufacture (of twenty or so) Has the greatest customer service, before and after sale.
C. One TM manufacture (of twenty or so) have been a carpet cleaner themselve before, building what we really need to get the job done not what we must have.
D. One TM manufacture (of twenty or so) proved that machines does not need to be as complicated as a "LEXUS" car to be operational.
and list can go on and on.
With all respect Mr. Larry, we can't always cling to old ways of doing things, new ideas are everywhere making our lives easier and more productive, we just need to learn to adopt to new ways rather than fighting them.

PS. Disco days are in 70's it is year 2011 now, just to let you know ;)
 

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You also mentioned "cast iron"....Aren't high power transfer pumps used to deflood basements with high water have cast iron impalers in them?, so we should not run water through them either right?
As for your blower getting locked on your "DYNACHEM" truckmount, believe we did lubricated it so we don't get yelled at by the owner of the company for the same repeating problem, but not knowing that at the time why? and now owing an Amtex Infernos without the same problem, it gives me the feeling that probably your design of having the blower so close to your waste tank was causing that.

PS. Disco days are in 70's it is year 2011 now, just to let you know.

Just to let you know that the DISCO haircut and it's partner the Police officer mustache are predicted to come back in style very soon.
I think the difference in the blower vs the trash pump is the blower will flash rust because it gets so hot and that could cause issues.
I locked up my El Diablo's blower one time on a big slug of water and it killed the motor instantly from full speed. I'm sure too much of that would not be good.
Check this link out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJzXkZ8hcg
I think that is a blower moving all that water.
 

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I have to say Amtex is the best ,I have owned many other machines but never have gotten the customer service that I have with Ben.Too bad other manufacturers cannot learn from him....Maybe someday.
 

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Just to let you know that the DISCO haircut and it's partner the Police officer mustache are predicted to come back in style very soon.
I think the difference in the blower vs the trash pump is the blower will flash rust because it gets so hot and that could cause issues.
I locked up my El Diablo's blower one time on a big slug of water and it killed the motor instantly from full speed. I'm sure too much of that would not be good.
Check this link out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJzXkZ8hcg
I think that is a blower moving all that water.
Man, I didn't get what you were refering to, first with "DISCO haircut and it's partner the Police officer mustache" then I got it and I could not stop laughing,...You are funny.
I think blower on Prowler does not run hot because of constant moisture running through it and also
in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJzXkZ8hcg it seems to me that it is the black transfer pump or "trash pump" in the back of machine that is moving all the water.

Uchavy76
 

uchavy76

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Mr tile pro, its easy don't buy one! But if you would like to know the options and benifits of having a prowler, ask! No need to put down (implied by you). because you don't want to lug a 2in hose. So lame. I have a 50ft 2in hose that i run to the 2.5 in pvc(gray water) that 95% of all homeowners have here. And all is well. And you also can buy a waste tank, and run direct. And for Mr larry. wd40 at the end of the day. blower looks great! That is a fact! Because i am an owner of one! And its over 6yrs old. Runs great!


P.S (wisdom) Don't try and make yourself look good, by making someone else look bad! after the 3rd grade. it comes back on you!
Thank you 1966rkt for backing up the truth with your experaince with Prowler, and not listening to some quotation from a CEO somewhere in the world that has never seen or work with one.

PS. I wonder why the name AMTEX irritates and bothers some, not their customers for sure
 
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