- Apr 6, 2013
Preload works great smell is awesome
I see. I did read the whole thread i thought ?? Even soMaybe you did not read the whole thing and who can blame you that is a lot of reading so let me tell you what happened in a nut shell. I mis understood what Rob said. I thought he was going to challenge other products not his own. So I meant to say that to give the product the credibility he perhaps was looking for, It was necessary to include other people who would not be biassed or in love with the product. Someone quoted me and explained that the challenge was just to show and witness the improvements on the same product. I went back to re read and I realized I had misunderstood. I recognized my mistake and we all went to business.
I keep hearing people say it smells bad. I don't know if it's my since of smell but mine smells good. Like coconutSo far so good..cleans good and rinses out good.......
wish it smelt a little bit better and not so much a chemical smell....But I have not had anyone complain about it....
http://www.truckmountforums.com/showcase/abbreviations-for-wiki.118/@RobAllen I am new to the game as when I did this 20 years ago for ServiceMaster all chemicals were from their products and no variations were permitted. I am not up with most of the initials and abbreviations that all of you who have been here for awhile. I have been testing products in various configurations and researching here for information, but often find myself lost as I am trying to figure out what you and all of the lifers are referencing. A little help please!
@RobAllen I am new to the game as when I did this 20 years ago for ServiceMaster all chemicals were from their products and no variations were permitted. I am not up with most of the initials and abbreviations that all of you who have been here for awhile. I have been testing products in various configurations and researching here for information, but often find myself lost as I am trying to figure out what you and all of the lifers are referencing. A little help please
All you need now is preload as directed on label for carpet, boost it with a scoop or two of tilemaster if needs restoration, use tilemaster as directed for tile...
It's the prespray to end all presprays
Many have debated that one chem works better than another. Before I get into that I want to tell you a story. I used to own a chain of vacuum cleaners stores before Walmart killed the market. Back then Eureka vacuum sold a unit to Sears. Sears changed the cover & sticker. Now clients came in when their Sears wore out I sold them the same Eureka. Almost all of them said the Sears cleaned better. But I knew better. Same amps,same fan,small motor yes same everything except the cover and sticker. But they insisted no matter what I told them. Then Consumer Guide comes out and rated them evenly. Who would have guessed that?
So my point is Side by Side testing is the only true way to test things and esp chemicals. Conclusions are usually based on "perceptions" and not reality. Yes there are some differences between competing products. Heat,concentration,uniquness and raw materials. However a larger impact is varying geographical soils,hardness of water,pre scrub tool,rotary,wand,fiber materials,dissimilar soils,carpet construction,equipment used and fluorochemical levels to name a few affect results.
So basically a formulator chooses his solvents,surfactants and builders to create his formulation. Over time he tweaks it and improves it. Very seldom does he go backwards if ever. However cleaners perception of the product changes and one or two times that it didn't seem to meet his expectations he throws it under the bus. Not fair. Tweaks are for the better not the worse. How do we know?
Side by side testing. The proof is in the pudding. The amount of difference cannot be shown in a few cleanings or a few cleaning situations. You must do at least 3-5 Side by Side comparisons in different cleaning situations over time. Yes one product may work better in one situation and the other better in another. However the overall Side by Side results in a best of 3-5 situations will determine the winner. You can't just set up at one house,one business or one carpet cleaning convention and determine a winner. That would be junk science just the CRI idiot testing. They take fake soil in fake conditions on new carpet with no pets,no people,no cooking,no oils and no traffic. Then some clown in a lab coat who knows squat about cleaning carpets runs the equipment over this fake situation as many times as the manufacturer says. The result? They rate a stupid rug doc over a beast truck mount. What a farce!
Sadly though,cleaners,the IICRC and others buy into it. Cleaner please (except TMF cleaners of course ),don't be so naive. Let me give you another example. Once a cleaner took a light duty pre spray like "Preload2". It would not clean heavy soiled carpets unless it was boosted with a product like Tilemaster. But on one occasion a guy had a restaurant where the previous cleaner left a ton of soapy residue. Well the light duty pre spray re-activated the previous product and the guy rinsed the carpet well. The carpet turned out like new. Now he thought it was the best thing since sliced bread but in reality it was not a heavy duty cleaner. His perception was altered but the reality different.
Another thing. Choice of application equipment,heat and dilution have an effect also. How so? Some use inline sprayers with varying dilution tips,or electric sprayers,or hand pump sprayers. All use varying size spray nozzles too. This has to be taken into account. Heat also plays a role. Some chems need more heat and some less to activate. Lastly many don't know this but over shaking a chemical mix can cause it to fall out of dilution and actually separate. Like a rug centrifuge separates water from a rug. So yes do shake but don't get stupid with it.
Lastly lets talk about geography. Every region has different or varying types of soils. What works in one area may not work in another area. Florida has sandy soils and Georgia has red clay soils. Sometimes even the best products have to be boosted a little to make up for this esp when you deal with garbage like poly's and oleo's. This doesn't even factor in cultural differences like cooking oils,body oils or as some do putting baby oil on the feet to name a few. See why it is so hard to find the perfect pre spray?
So what have we learned? Cleaners want a "nuke" kill it all pre spray. So we have tweaked our products several times and made them stronger,not weaker. This can be proven. We did Side by Side tests. How confident are we? Yes we moved the dilution upwards to accommodate for the nastiest situations. Perhaps we should mention that dilution can be cut in half for light to moderate soils. As mentioned in a another thread where a few complained that they thought a product of ours underperformed compared to our last formulation. We politely disagree and are willing to put it to the test. How?
We are sending 10 members whom ya'll have chosen to test products Side by Side. And we will reserve the next 2 posts to have 5 of each in each post. We will start with Tilemaster and Preload5. We will send each person a "test sheet" to record the results on. So let's watch as we develop a true testing. How so? Side by Side testing with a proper twist,over several different cleaning situations.
Let's get 'er done!
The chosen 10 are*;
Jaime Fabara (Locko)
Todd the Cleaner (and Jeff Kondra since they work together)
Michael (Certified Cleaner)
Kevin M (Colorado Cleaner)
Did I miss anyone? May take two more.
*Submit all your shipping info to @Edwin Camacho via PM.
**Please request and use this testing form below. Email me or Ed and we will send you a copy to print out. It's simple and precise;
Well when you get to that point I would like to put it up against chem spec. I've tried other products but always go back to enzall
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