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  1. Lifetime Carpet Care

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    We are working on a flood job right now. The entire house flooded due to a toilet over flow. When we pulled back the carpet, it has pad and then VCT underneath. We pulled the pad already, and extracted the standing water on the VCT and carpet. My question is will the VCT need to be pulled up as well? Any advice is appreciated.
     
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    Personally I would pull the vct water got under it without a doubt. As your drying it will prob start popping up anyway,
     
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    I would talk to the insurance adjuster for approval to make sure they sill pay for it and justify it by the source of the water and the fact it probably will speed up drying and my need to be pulled if it pops anyways.
     
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    This is a very smart reply because if you don't get it approved they wont pay for it... Personally I feel the VCT should come up so it doesn't cause a stink under any of the tiles... but it should get approval.
     
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  5. Lifetime Carpet Care

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    That is definitely what I was thinking. Thanks for responding.
     
  6. Lifetime Carpet Care

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    Thank you for responding.
     
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    AND , IF you get the okay to rip it out ........ Buy a Spyder Blade at Lowes , Home Depot ,etc. to go on your reciprocating saw . Fast and easy removal brother . Hope it helps .
    All the Best, Ed
     
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    This is more better. Rent it. It cuts it from the floor like butter. Sometimes glue puts up a fight[​IMG]
     
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    tres Active Member

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    You don't need to get approval to pull it. If it needs to get pulled, just pull it. They only pay for replacement of the top surface of flooring anyway so a couple hundred bucks to remove vct or whatever is there is no big deal.

    If it was on slab, we would just leave it down and dry as is most of the time. Not gonna get much under there if glued down on slab. Just pull the ones that pop up.
    Also be careful for asbestos in those depending on age of house. It's been a long time since they installed those in homes so I would definately be cautious of that. Start busting those up and you got a problem.
    And pretty much all policies will exclude asbestos abatement as well.

    Just some things to consider.
     
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    Good point above on possible vat. Have to identify it first then find out the rules on removal of vat tiles. It was manufactured into the late 70's. But stock was continued to be sold and installed into the mid 80's. There may still be some skids of it floating around in a warehouse today. 9x9 are dead giveaway but they came in 12 x 12 also just like the vct.

    I said use power stripper assuming it was concrete.
    If over wood subfloor power stripper doesnt work well. It digs into wood and gets caught on nails. Which are like every 4". But if vct over concrete it works excellent.
     
  11. Pinosan

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    any asbestos involved???

    Yesterday was the initial day so VCT should not be of concern for the next few hrs. UNtil it starts popping or delaying the drying considerably.

    contacting the insurance for approval whether needed or not.
    contacting the asbestos team to come out and test
    and starting the drying process should be your main focus.

    insurance adjuster answer and asbestos test will determine what to do next.

    Most old VCT contained asbestos if you end up removing without approval or test results,
    the adjuster may get pissed.

    The least that they want is for one to come out and make things worse than they are.
    If asbestos are present and one blows air, the whole house gets contaminated. If the (smartass) HO or employee has knowledge of this and
    complaints of being exposed, then your insurance and their insurance will be looking at $$$$$$$ in compensations and unnecessary repairs and clean up.
    One can even be kicked out of the jobsite.

    be kool, be smart, be ethical.
     
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  12. jtsunbrite

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    Most excellent info for Younger owners !!! Great job
     
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    Most definitely test for asbestos. If the house is pre '80's there are so many items that are improperly removed due to asbestos.
    This is State specific BUT normally insurance companies DO pay for asbestos removal if it's from a covered loss... some companies may limit Pollution Cleanup which may include asbestos..normally $10,000 - $25,000 (this would only include the removal).
    If the insurance policy has replacement cost coverage then ALL layers of flooring is paid to be reinstalled--at the option of homeowner if they want the additional layers.
    We test, test, test on all projects--there is asbestos in the least suspected places--heck we find it in tar paper on many roofs.
    It's all about worker and homeowner safety.
     
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    Was it clean toilet water? Im with most everyone else. I think the VCT should be pulled
     
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    If it was dirty toilet water (after the tank/bowl), it's a Cat 3 loss and the tile will likely have to go... if it is tiles and not sheet vinyl, and if the subflooring underneath got wet. A hammer probe will tell you this without having to yank it. Check edges, between tiles, etc. If your probe tells you it got wet, more than likely insurance will cover removal (as noted above, check for asbestos content first).

    If it was clean water (pre-bowl), it's not automatically a Cat 3 and it can be dried in situ if you have the equipment.
     
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    In California we get asbestos and lead abutments approved by the insurance all the time.
     
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    Look at new EPA site. Now we have to test for asbestos pre 2004!
     
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    Fresh waster tank cat 1. Anything in the bowl no matter what it looks like we treat as cat 3. Tear anything out the water came in contact with. Bacteria is way worse than mold according to the teacher of the classes I have been to.
     
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