Tmf acidic or alkaline rinse

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They are both suppose to neutralize high ph prespray. But I personally would use the acidic for pet stained carpet and alkaline on the dirtys. But the acidic would also be good on the dirtys if using a super high ph prespray.
 
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I have not tried these specific products. But here are ideas on acid versus alkaline rinse in general.

Advantages of an acid rinse include less residue, carpets stay cleaner longer, carpet has a softer feel when cleaning is finished, many protectors will adhere better to slightly acid fibers. On nylon, wool and some dye systems with other fibers, the dyes are more stable and will maintain color longer.

Advantages of Alkaline rinse is better cleaning of oils and grease.
 
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I have not tried these specific products. But here are ideas on acid versus alkaline rinse in general.

Advantages of an acid rinse include less residue, carpets stay cleaner longer, carpet has a softer feel when cleaning is finished, many protectors will adhere better to slightly acid fibers. On nylon, wool and some dye systems with other fibers, the dyes are more stable and will maintain color longer.

Advantages of Alkaline rinse is better cleaning of oils and grease.

Am I correct the acidic is more likely to do a better job removing residue from previous cleaners
 

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Soil load and soil type would be the determining factor for me.

Acid;

Stand alone for olefin berber
When using a super hi ph prespray
When lot organic stains and odors present

Alkaline neutralisier;

Oily carpets
Most Polyesters
Stand alone on olefin berber
Stand alone on nylons
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Soil load and soil type would be the determining factor for me.

Acid;

Stand alone for olefin berber
When using a super hi ph prespray
When lot organic stains and odors present

Alkaline neutralisier;

Oily carpets
Most Polyesters
Stand alone on olefin berber
Stand alone on nylons
Section 8

I use an acid rinse to neutralize (covert to a salt) the soap in the carpet. I find it a very important step, perhaps more so then the guys running truck mounts because I will never get the amount of flow and lift using a portable. So huge advantages for chemical neutralizing.
Chemistry is acid + base = salt

How does the Alkaline rinse work? Does it convert? Or is it more emulsifying? Does it have the ability to help detach the surfactants which is used in the soap? (Would it be a good rinse for medium grade portables) or would it be a better choice in a truck mount system where there is less limits in flow, temperatures, and lift? In regards to leaving less residues.

Marlene
 
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Am I correct the acidic is more likely to do a better job removing residue from previous cleaners

Essentially correct. Most of the potentially harmful or villainous residues are on the alkaline side. An acid rinse would do a better job at either removing on neutralizing (inactivating) those residues.
 

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Soil load and soil type would be the determining factor for me.

Acid;

Stand alone for olefin berber
When using a super hi ph prespray
When lot organic stains and odors present

Alkaline neutralisier;

Oily carpets
Most Polyesters
Stand alone on olefin berber
Stand alone on nylons
Section 8

Am I correct as a stand alone or w rsf Free and clear neither will Cause resoiling
 

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If my carpets are really nasty or very oily/greasy (like in a restaurant) I use an alkaline rinse. Then I go back and spray the carpet with the acid rinse in my pump sprayer and then just do dry strokes with the wand.

For all other situations I use the acid rinse through my wand as I extract.
 
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If my carpets are really nasty or very oily/greasy (like in a restaurant) I use an alkaline rinse. Then I go back and spray the carpet with the acid rinse in my pump sprayer and then just do dry strokes with the wand.

For all other situations I use the acid rinse through my wand as I extract.

You in part answered my question. So in my case, I may want to use an Alkaline rinse to pull out let’s say parking lot oils, versus repeated extractions but would still need to neutralize the soaps.

Marlene
 

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I always prespot....

I use acid rinse on most homes......

For trashed rentals i use alcaline rinse and on ocasions a final acid rinse
For the dirtiest room....

For resturants i use alcaline rinse after prespotting...

I just got robs secret formuala rinse at ph8
Ill see how it works in the next few days....
 

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I always prespot....

I use acid rinse on most homes......

For trashed rentals i use alcaline rinse and on ocasions a final acid rinse
For the dirtiest room....

For resturants i use alcaline rinse after prespotting...

I just got robs secret formuala rinse at ph8
Ill see how it works in the next few days....

That sounds pretty much my plan when I get them
 

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You in part answered my question. So in my case, I may want to use an Alkaline rinse to pull out let’s say parking lot oils, versus repeated extractions but would still need to neutralize the soaps.

Marlene
You don't have to go back with an Acid rinse after using an Alkaline rinse, it's really just my preference. Typically a job where I use an Alkaline rinse I likely have used a very high PH degreaser mixed in my prespray and probably a lot of water to rinse the carpet out. So by going over and applying an acid in the way I described, it gets a few more dry strokes in, and helps further neutralize that degreaser.
 
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Anyone have any insights on why or when and where I’d rather the acidic or the alkaline rinse
you should attend the TMF School of Academic Science to become certified. This should not be an issue if you are cleaning in someones home. Use Fabset in your rinse, all the time.
 
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Well maintained carpets or average carpets I would use flex ice but commercial, filthy polyester carpets I would use alkaline 9.7ph Esteam Performance CBS which will not leave any sticky residue and will leave the carpets softer then any other alkaline rinsing agents also will brighten the carpets as well with a nice lemony fragrance.

PERFORMANCE CBS
Performance CBS is Carpet & Rug Institute (CRI) certified as a premium carpet emulsifier.
Experience the absolute power of cleaning. Performance CBS is a residue free powdered emulsifier that leaves carpets Cleaner, Brighter and Softer. Using the latest and most advanced encapsulating technology, Performance CBS incorporates a unique blend of high tech solvents, advanced wetting agents and naturally occurring brighteners. This product delivers amazing cleaning results in both residential and commercial applications.

  • Diluted pH: 9.7
  • Dilution Ratio: 1:1280
  • Available in: 6 lbs (2.7 kg), 40 lbs (18.2 kg) or 360 lbs (163.6 kg)
 

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Well maintained carpets or average carpets I would use flex ice but commercial, filthy polyester carpets I would use alkaline 9.7ph Esteam Performance CBS which will not leave any sticky residue and will leave the carpets softer then any other alkaline rinsing agents also will brighten the carpets as well with a nice lemony fragrance.

PERFORMANCE CBS
Performance CBS is Carpet & Rug Institute (CRI) certified as a premium carpet emulsifier.
Experience the absolute power of cleaning. Performance CBS is a residue free powdered emulsifier that leaves carpets Cleaner, Brighter and Softer. Using the latest and most advanced encapsulating technology, Performance CBS incorporates a unique blend of high tech solvents, advanced wetting agents and naturally occurring brighteners. This product delivers amazing cleaning results in both residential and commercial applications.

  • Diluted pH: 9.7
  • Dilution Ratio: 1:1280
  • Available in: 6 lbs (2.7 kg), 40 lbs (18.2 kg) or 360 lbs (163.6 kg)
I agree, Performance CBS is an excellent powdered emulsifier, probably the best I've ever used, but I can't use it any more because my Butler has a millimeter chemical feed, which means I can only run liquid concentrate emulsifiers through the machine or it will plug things up.
 
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