The new TMF Profire and Starfire Truckmounts! (Vids included)

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I cant speak for Robs machine only my 570, the dry times using a rotovac 360i on 500 PSI with 1 wet and 1 dry stroke on the average carpet with 200 temp, 150 ft of hose os 2-6 hours depending on carpet and environment. Its 1 hour if I put fans out.
 

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Do you clean the same surface at every job every time.....

if not

you are making an ass of yourself and wasting a lot of your time and clogging up the thread...........


How many carpets you cleaned as an owner operator?
What machines have you operated?
How many years have you operated those machines?
How many trucks and mounts do you operate daily?

Do you even understand what you are asking?
From where I am sitting the answer is a resounding NO
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What is your favorite prespray your using these days?????
 

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Do you clean the same surface at every job every time.....

if not

you are making an ass of yourself and wasting a lot of your time and clogging up the thread...........


How many carpets you cleaned as an owner operator?
What machines have you operated?
How many years have you operated those machines?
How many trucks and mounts do you operate daily?

Do you even understand what you are asking?
From where I am sitting the answer is a resounding NO
Who are you referring to?
 

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First thing I seen was some think the Profire should turn 3600 rpm. It can not because the blower can only spin 2850 rpm because it is a number #5 blower.

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#3 blowers run 3600
#4 blowers run 3600
#5 blowers run 2850
#6 blowers run 2350

The question about the high cfm port. It has no restrictions in its way is why it’s considered a high cfm.

My concern with my techs running Starfire machines at 3000rpm with the amount of water we’re putting down probably should run at 3600 to make sure they recover it to maximize your dry times. I will be texting with my kit over the next week and following up on empty homes to verify.
 

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First thing I seen was some think the Profire should turn 3600 rpm. It can not because the blower can only spin 2850 rpm because it is a number #5 blower.

Run down
#3 blowers run 3600
#4 blowers run 3600
#5 blowers run 2850
#6 blowers run 2350

The question about the high cfm port. It has no restrictions in its way is why it’s considered a high cfm.

My concern with my techs running Starfire machines at 3000rpm with the amount of water we’re putting down probably should run at 3600 to make sure they recover it to maximize your dry times. I will be texting with my kit over the next week and following up on empty homes to verify.
Seems like there’s nothing wrong with running an air cooled motor at 3600 RPM, I’ve just been curious if that’s what your new machine is supposed to run it, that’s all. 45 blower at 3600 rpm is pretty powerful.

Most companies are at 3000 RPM, which really weakens the system.

If your manufacturer says run them at full throttle, and Kohler doesn’t care, I say do it.

If you’re supposed to run your machine at 3000, then that’s where I feel there might be better options... for me.
 
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Seems like there’s nothing wrong with running an air cooled motor at 3600 RPM, I’ve just been curious if that’s what your new machine is supposed to run it, that’s all. 45 blower at 3600 rpm is pretty powerful.

Most companies are at 3000 RPM, which really weakens the system.

If your manufacturer says run them at full throttle, and Kohler doesn’t care, I say do it.

If you’re supposed to run your machine at 3000, then that’s where I feel there might be better options... for me.

He recommends 3600 as best for performance and Truckmount life.
 

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On the other end of that, for 25k you can get a Titan 575/Apex 570 (47/48 blowers).

At 3000 rpm with lift set to 14", both will produce around 450 CFM. Not 16" of lift, but virtually 200 more CFM compared to the 45 blower at 16" of lift.

Which machine do you think will perform better?

Of course this is based on running all machines at 3000 rpm.
Chris
this is the spec sheet on the TITAN 575
it says 400 CFM.


it says 400 CFM.

max is 470 cfm...

I talked to a dealer and a hydramaster TM mechanic last year and it is difficult to know exactly what their pully ratio is?
To find out how fast the blower is spinning?

But what they told me it is around 75% of max.
75% is 350 cfm.
85% is 400 cfm

you have to measure the pully ratio and it is not mentioned in their spec sheet.

Some other guys can get on here and verify this but the majority of TM (expecially the BIG 3)
spin there blowers at 3000 RPM and that is the maximum they will spin them.
That is exactly 83% of 3600.
 
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this is the spec sheet on the TITAN 575
it says 400 CFM.


it says 400 CFM.

max is 470 cfm...

I talked to a dealer and a hydramaster TM mechanic last year and it is difficult to know exactly what their pully ratio is?
To find out how fast the blower is spinning?

But what they told me it is around 75% of max.
75% is 350 cfm.
85% is 400 cfm

you have to measure the pully ratio and it is not mentioned in their spec sheet.
I see where it says “400+”.

I just went to the Denver Gardner site and looked up the specs. At 3000 rpm the 4L blowers pull around 450 CFM.

It is hard to know exactly though.

According to Sutorbilt, the 4L (roots 47) blower has a max CFM of 579. That’s at 3600 rpm though.
 

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this is not difficult to calculate as I have a pulley calculator at
blocklayer.com

but you have to know the pulley sizes of both engine and blower and the RPM.

But trust me very very few TM dealers max out their blowers - SAD BUT TRUE
 

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this is not difficult to calculate as I have a pulley calculator at
blocklayer.com

but you have to know the pulley sizes of both engine and blower and the RPM.

But trust me very very few TM dealers max out their blowers - SAD BUT TRUE
Well, the 570 and 575 are both ran 1:1 so it’s pretty simple. They’re both in the mid-400s at 3000 rpm and 12-14” of lift.

You’re right though, they could probably up it.

The Judson C4 runs its 47 blower at 3600 rpm and gets well into the 500s. Uses a 35 HP motor and is 20k. You have to buy heat, but that’s still a lot of machine for the money.
 
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I see where it says “400+”.

I just went to the Denver Gardner site and looked up the specs. At 3000 rpm the 4L blowers pull around 450 CFM.

It is hard to know exactly though.

According to Sutorbilt, the 4L (roots 47) blower has a max CFM of 579. That’s at 3600 rpm though.
THAT CHART IS SET AT 14" or 15"
when it jumps to 16" that is when CFM drops down to 470 cfm .
 

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Well, the 570 and 575 are both ran 1:1 so it’s pretty simple. They’re both in the mid-400s at 3000 rpm and 12-14” of lift.

You’re right though, they could probably up it.

The Judson C4 runs its 47 blower at 3600 rpm and gets well into the 500s. Uses a 35 HP motor and is 20k. You have to buy heat, but that’s still a lot of machine for the money.
just talked to judson a while back he runs his pulleys at 85 % for the blower
or around 3000 rpm.
has to do with using a larger pulley for his blower.
4.25" blower pulley
3.5" engine pulley
 

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That sucks. I heard both Judson machines run their blowers at 3600.
i just talked to him this week on a TM.
He gave me the exact measures on his pulleys.
go to
blocklayer.com
go to pulley calculator
half way down the page plug in your pulley measurements and your engine RPM.
it checks out to 3000 rpm.

I ask him why???
Longivity is what he said....

Kinda like grandma's roast...
why do they cut off the end...???
Cause that's the way it's always been done!
 

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i just talked to him this week on a TM.
He gave me the exact measures on his pulleys.
go to
blocklayer.com
go to pulley calculator
half way down the page plug in your pulley measurements and your engine RPM.
it checks out to 3000 rpm.

I ask him why???
Longivity is what he said....

Kinda like grandma's roast...
why do they cut off the end...???
Cause that's the way it's always been done!
Makes sense.