Special Interest - Buyer Beware

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James Cooper

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Hey Coop, if you want to really draw attention to your Greenie bashing post (which you didn't write but took from someone posting on the **********) you should put Jeff's name on the header, and also Lisa's and use their company names for good measure. Then maybe you can get 11000 views. Nothing like a good kick on someone when they're down eh? It would be interesting to read Ken Harris's opinion about poor service and slow delivery and ignoring E-Mails after receiving customer payments.


So what you're saying Art , is that even though Mikey and MB admin thought it was important that this be posted as a notice to inform potential customers of Jeffs that he wasnt operating responsibly , I shouldnt have cut and pasted the thread to warn any of Jeffs customers here ???

Just what exactly do you have a problem with Art ? Are you saying that potential customers shouldnt be warned and in addition to myself being in the wrong , David was wrong for posting the email , and MB and Mikey and his site admins were wrong too ?

You are letting your hero worship cloud your judgement buddy - the guy did a bad thing , and any warning given , regardless of where posted , was totally justified .
 

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Teh Way It Works!

Really. Do you think he would be extradited to Utah if located in another state?
I doubt it.

But hey, it's your day! Feeling it...



I understand.

When he gets arrested; the hearing of extradition will be held. A trial to prevent or extradite will be held. If he is convicted he will be extridited against his will.

Before my son Zach was born with Cerebral Palsy; I went to school to get certified in Law Enforcement. Having to drop from the Sheriff's Office sponsored list of recruits to help care for a very sick infant; I never got the chance to become a police officer.

However I did learn a lot about law and procedure. If he gets arrested in Florida for instance; if convicted at extradition he will be extradited at taxpayer expense
to the jurisdiction issuing arrest warrant. These are cold hard facts. Look it up!!
 

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Bench warrants work how ever the state he gets arrested in is set up ... unless its a federal warrant then its via fed rules (if hes picked up by federal agents)

In ny state if he was picked up by local cops he would be charged as a fugitive from justice but the local judge is allowed to set bail (99% certain on this). The feds have a certain time frame to come pick him up or he will be released. If the warrant is for failure to appear and it states its no bail .. a local magistrate most likely will not set bail and he will be reprimanded to the county jail.

Then feds will arraign him in federal court and he will be sent back to the local jail with the feds now paying about 85 bux a day +/- till us marshals escort the fugitive from justice back to utah for a trail by his peers.

That's whats gonna happen (mostly). If somebody called the US Marshals office and gave the paypal account to them and told them this story .. it might be useful info for them.
 

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James , I dont think it was wrong to post the email. What it is James is a lot of people have invested countless hours , Berating other suppliers and competitors so Greenies truckmount Direct could profit well.. Now that it is coming apart at the seems People Like Art,Larry C ,Joey J, and many others are losing there credibility. That is why they are so angry.

Here in texas and nm. IF a person gets picked up on a warrant in one county. they are then held in that county then transfered to the other county, when that happens the cost of tranfering is added to that person. That expense has to be paid if a bond has been set or after the trial proceeding are done. Yes I am sure there are a lot of times they do not collect


PS I think the original post should be posted at ICS and clean fax..
 

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I see no problems with a buyer beware(Greenie) if its legit and it was.....


Ken Harris was also very famous for doing the exact same thing and that is also legit...has he changed his ways? I dont know, I havent heard good or bad lately.


All in all, I hope it works out for everyone and we move on.
 
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I don't know about "wrong to post the E-mail", but my guess is that he's going through some humbling times right now, which will do him some good in the long run.

All things considered, it should give him a better perspective when he considers pointing a finger at someone for being "broke dick", etc., in the future.

I see it as an opportunity for him, if he recognizes it. Falling is a tough thing to do, but it really helps clear the air and get your priorities straight, once you get past the confusion.

Give him a break. Most of us have been through tough times and learned from them. In his case, it's just more public than most. But wait till the dust settles to see where his head is really at.

All things considered, as much as a pain as he's been known to be to some, it's as much about his being immature as anything else. (We've all been there. Just look at past posts if you've lost sight of it.) And this will be a sobering, maturing process for him, I think.

Been there. Done that. And I'm not saying that I have it all together here. Just saying that I know what he's going through and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But at the same time, it is an opportunity for him to get a more balanced perspective on things.

"To know a man, observes how he wins his object, rather than how he loses it. For when we fail, our pride supports us, but when we succeed, it betrays us." - Colton
 
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My take on this is that it would have been much less humbling showing up in that Utah court 2 weeks ago, voluntarily, than it is going to be being brought back to it involuntarily.

Only thing I can think why he did it this way that makes any sense is he must really have believed they would not have issued a bench warrant for his no show. So he took the gamble. And he lost.
 
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Wow! I never knew we had so many lawyers on TMF! If you all know so much about the law, why are you working in the CC industry and not working on hi-profile legal cases?

Really, this whole thing is making me sick. I know some of you have a beef with Greenie, but this constant circle-jerk about the issue is making a few of you look bad.

Ken, you are like a vulture flying around waiting for an animal to die so you can peck it's friggin' eyeballs out. You too, Nick. I love ya man, but let the legal process take it's course and if Greenie is as guilty as you say and has cheated and lied, then you and those who were supposedly slighted will be vindicated.

And great post Duane Oxley!
 

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One word ""KARMA"' good or bad it will get us ""ALL""

I hope we will let this rest and show that we are all bigger than that ..



OR



You can show we are like the other guys and show just what kind of people we can be to the new guy or gal ..

just reading for the first time

What will it be ?
 

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Chris , Nick made some personal posts and I edited them .

I dont know what your beef is with Ken , but he has only stated the facts , which is a lot beter treatment than Greenie has done for Ken or other manufacturers .

I have to stand up and salute Duane for turning the other cheek , because he has been a target for Greenies abuse for a while , yet he restrains himself when the natural human response would be to slam him . Good on you Duane .

Same thing with Ken - he has his problems with getting things out on time , but he has been working on it - but where were you guys when Greenie and his crew were saying Ken stole from folks , and Kens a thief ?? We easily investigated and turns out the truth was Ken had delivery or quality problems - it doesnt excuse Ken , but its nowwhere near being a thief .

Maybe you guys should all consider this when you spread unfounded rumors and say things that you know is going to hurt folks businesses . Now that Greenie is having problems ( not delivering goods so far ...) , maybe it will help you guys to understand it can and does happen to anyone .
 
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I don't believe in kicking someone when they're down...

... unless it's mortal combat and they've trashed every opportunity given them to come out alive.

There's no mortal combat here.


Everybody deserves a second chance.

Everybody.

If they trash it, then that's another matter.
 
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James, I have talked to Nick several times and I know his beef with Greenie. My point is what John Talley said, "Karma....will get us all". I like Nick and don't want him to be on a high horse if some misfortune comes his way, because I wouldn't like if people took delight in his hard times.

Look, I have had personal conversations with so many in this industry, and if I believed everything everybody told me, I wouldnt like anybody. I wouldn't like Nick, Greenie, Rob Allen....nobody.

I don't have a beef with Ken; it just seems like he is on the front-line of beating this dead horse....I don't want a carpet cleaners interpretation of the legal documents, procedures, etc.. you guys clean carpet, you didn't go to law school so quit trying to be a lawyer and wait to see what happens in this case.

I apologize to Ken for calling him a vulture, I just get sick of this Greenie BS.
 
I've ordered a lot of performance stuff from Greenglides, when it was Lisa and Jeff, and I received great service. Jeff also was a great help for any questions I had at the time over the phone. I hope things work out well for him, and I will definately buy from him again, once all his problems are over.
 

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James, I have talked to Nick several times and I know his beef with Greenie. My point is what John Talley said, "Karma....will get us all". I like Nick and don't want him to be on a high horse if some misfortune comes his way, because I wouldn't like if people took delight in his hard times.

Look, I have had personal conversations with so many in this industry, and if I believed everything everybody told me, I wouldnt like anybody. I wouldn't like Nick, Greenie, Rob Allen....nobody.

I don't have a beef with Ken; it just seems like he is on the front-line of beating this dead horse....I don't want a carpet cleaners interpretation of the legal documents, procedures, etc.. you guys clean carpet, you didn't go to law school so quit trying to be a lawyer and wait to see what happens in this case.

I apologize to Ken for calling him a vulture, I just get sick of this Greenie BS.





aint really bs if its true :AddEmoticons04259: and you dont really have to be an attorney with the avent of the internet and google - a bench warrant being issued by a judge is pretty self explanatory .

My other problem I have right now is the fact that Mikey and friends have admittedly been covering for him for a while - just how big is this thing and who else has had problems receiving goods ??
 
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aint really bs if its true :AddEmoticons04259: and you dont really have to be an attorney with the avent of the internet and google - a bench warrant being issued by a judge is pretty self explanatory .

My other problem I have right now is the fact that Mikey and friends have admittedly been covering for him for a while - just how big is this thing and who else has had problems receiving goods ??[/QUOTE]

Just like I have heard that people have been ripped off by Ken Harris......:AddEmoticons04259:
 

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well , the difference Chris , is that Greenie and crew had turned everyone against Ken Harris . They spread the rumors not that he had delivery problems , but that he was an outright thief . They pm'd me when I ran the green board and threatened to shut us down if we let Ken post there .

I spent countless hours posting on every board asking for anyone that had been ripped off to come forward - no one did . Imagine that , all these folks that were stolen from and not one verified case.

But what we do know about Greenie is what his own suppporters have told us - he canbt be counted on to deliver the goods right now , and we do have 1 person that has came forward . Mikey himself admitted to keeping it quiet himself for a while .

Now Im not posting this to slam Greenie - but you need to be a little more objective and focus on the facts instead of making excuses and trying to deflect facts by making me or anyone that questions what went on as the " bad guys ."

Maybe Im just reading you wrong , but useing Ken as a standard for what Greenie has done is wrong .
 
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