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Rob's last post made it obvious that he doesn't want anyone talking about any chemicals that he doesn't make. So how much weight can you put into his evaluation?
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Are you on drugs man? Eye, skin and breathing irritant vs immediate blindness, severe burns and fatal in airways?
That’s our strongest yet still so much safer. Our next strongest Spiked is even safer. Then Black Label is almost green.
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I wouldn't advise that with quite a few of your products. I'm just saying that you make your products out to be soooo safe and they all are not. I encourage everyone to reads the sds , there are a few companies out there making really high quality products that are really safe also.I’ll do an eye on wash challenge with the our above products vs the other. Let’s see which one does this immediately...
*Actual photo eye that got lye powder in it.
I honestly feel that if you really cared about your fellow carpet cleaners you would take off the market or change the ones that aren't safe.
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I honestly feel like if you honestly cared you would join me sitting down with 5 chemists you can make more educated assumptions.
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I don't think reading something off an sds is considered an assumption. I would love to sit down with chemists though as I do enjoy that side of our field. I just know there are some very safe products that are very effective, so the more hazardous ones aren't really necessary.
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BTW, this is Rob's house.
He has EVERY right to tout his own line.
If some of us have issues with how it's done (slamming everyone else as if their products are dangerous garbage), then that's a whole other issue. And if one doesn't expect such a treatment, then frankly one hasn't been paying attention very well, lol.
But bottom line, this is his turf and his rules.
He has EVERY right to tout his own line.
If some of us have issues with how it's done (slamming everyone else as if their products are dangerous garbage), then that's a whole other issue. And if one doesn't expect such a treatment, then frankly one hasn't been paying attention very well, lol.
But bottom line, this is his turf and his rules.
I fully get it- Rob's house= Rob's rules. I do not agree with the way he goes about but it won't change, if he ever figures out if his TM is ready to go into production we won't be allowed to discuss other brands of those either.
It is what it is which isn't the way it used to be. I'll leave it at that as I keep typing a new sentences to add to my feelings about it only to delete them because I know somethings are better left unsaid.
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Just remember that, at the end of the day, we are all still here to share and to learn from one another. And that's a GOOD thing. Not all industries have a place like this where ideas can be bounced around. Personalities are going to clash, particularly since the majority of folks here are independent, self-governing, and opinionated. I try to see the good, and accept the things I cannot change (and accept that it's not up to me to change things anyway, lol).
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Do you have factual info for that statement? I'd like to read it as thats news to me.
SDS only reflect what is in the bottle during shipping and mixing. A 1 to 32 dilution is much safer than the concentrate. Rinse dilutions at 1 to 320/1 to 640 are much closer to water than the concentrate. The RTU gallon dilution is the level of exposure subjected to the cleaner and customer.
In our plant, the first step in regards to worker exposure of a raw material is thoroughly rinsing with water. The mixed formulas are at the concentrate level. The ready to use gallon is the next level and the final level of exposure is any residues left on the carpet after rinsing.
Sodium Hydroxide in liquid form is at 45% strength (I only use in 2 formulas as I want to limit handling which is designed for safety in our plant). If added to a formula at 2% then it is at .9% (45%). If diluted at a 1 to 4 level then it is .18%, It is used up to some degree when encountering soil. However, for the sake of analysis let us say it is rinsed out of the carpet at a 90% level then residues in the carpet would be at .02 % at most. The hazards at 45% are not recognizable at .02%. I still do not like to use the word safe but it is 2250 times safer than the concentrate.
I hope this provides some perspective even when using one of the most hazardous cleaning raw materials.
In our plant, the first step in regards to worker exposure of a raw material is thoroughly rinsing with water. The mixed formulas are at the concentrate level. The ready to use gallon is the next level and the final level of exposure is any residues left on the carpet after rinsing.
Sodium Hydroxide in liquid form is at 45% strength (I only use in 2 formulas as I want to limit handling which is designed for safety in our plant). If added to a formula at 2% then it is at .9% (45%). If diluted at a 1 to 4 level then it is .18%, It is used up to some degree when encountering soil. However, for the sake of analysis let us say it is rinsed out of the carpet at a 90% level then residues in the carpet would be at .02 % at most. The hazards at 45% are not recognizable at .02%. I still do not like to use the word safe but it is 2250 times safer than the concentrate.
I hope this provides some perspective even when using one of the most hazardous cleaning raw materials.
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To further Tom's point, I carry one of his NaOH products - it is actually quite popular here, for one big reason:
It is inexpensive to buy.
That's NOT to say it doesn't work - it works quite well, enough so that several guys in this area who use it exclusively have comfortable margins in their companies. But its leading desirable quality in their eyes is the price tag.
We've been down the road of cost to buy versus cost to use... and some of my guys frankly don't have more than $20 in their pockets at a time. There has ALWAYS been a market for less expensive chemical, and as long as carpet cleaners holler holy heck about chemical costs, that market will remain strong.
Yes, we all want to use what's best AND what's least harmful to us and to our customers. But some guys can only afford to go with what their wallets allow.
Oddly enough, guys have been cleaning with this "dangerous eye-burning lye" for decades and NO ONE in our area (or anywhere I've heard of) has suffered any ill effects when it is used as directed.
It is inexpensive to buy.
That's NOT to say it doesn't work - it works quite well, enough so that several guys in this area who use it exclusively have comfortable margins in their companies. But its leading desirable quality in their eyes is the price tag.
We've been down the road of cost to buy versus cost to use... and some of my guys frankly don't have more than $20 in their pockets at a time. There has ALWAYS been a market for less expensive chemical, and as long as carpet cleaners holler holy heck about chemical costs, that market will remain strong.
Yes, we all want to use what's best AND what's least harmful to us and to our customers. But some guys can only afford to go with what their wallets allow.
Oddly enough, guys have been cleaning with this "dangerous eye-burning lye" for decades and NO ONE in our area (or anywhere I've heard of) has suffered any ill effects when it is used as directed.
I dont have any paid opinion one way or another but there are lots of lye products available. All clean really well but there are much better options. I looked into soap daddy a long while back but realized there wasnt a point for me to try it as I have already used Slop/Gobble from judson etc.
It will definitely clean well I guarantee it...
We used to add lye when installing sod back when I had a landscape construction company. Its not harmful to grass but not something you want to spray inside a customers home imo.
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