simple truck mount less parts than a ETM

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I think for a single operator those machines are fun. But when you have technicians as we all know they dont follow the rules. Having fuel fired TM's scares me to death because of how idiotic these guys can be.
The facts are they have very few breakdowns and you're only a phone call away.
shoot pro Kim's breakdown like nobody's business when they get some miles on them. you honestly think your tecs are going to be able to figure out how to do anything on one of those nightmares
 

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Odin, I really liked the videos. My father built a few truck mounts (for himself only) and had the same outlook as you: truck mounts don’t have to be expensive to get the job done. He had a lot of apartment contracts back in the day so he was always using his residential cash flow to float these 60-90 day slow payers and had to be super resourceful to stay afloat....hence the self made machines. Unfortunately, these machines were hard on the eyes to look at and always having issues because there wasn’t enough precision going on in the manufacturing process ...lol
 
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As somebody that has owned a Chemtex for 7 years and now have it available as a backup since acquiring a butler I can tell you from experience that there is a huge difference in reliability and quality and output of the machine. I thought when I had my Chemtex that I had it made lol. It had the 20 hp Kohler engine and the 47 blower. What I have now discovered after having the butler is that the machine was greatly underpowered by the engine. I had 2 different pumps put in and both of them did not put out near the pressure of spray that the butler does. The vauum recovery is quite a bit different also. I can run this butler at low range and still have more vacuum power than if the Chemtex were screaming full blast and I don't even have the max blower system on the butler. I wouldn't have believed it myself the difference unless I experienced it myself. I'm so sold on the Hitler now that I will never go back to another machine. You don't know what you don't know. The Chemtex was a great starter machine but there is a huge difference in the two.
 
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I love just how clean and simple it's design is

EMTs are sometimes so complicated all the different things you have to hook up that it's just simpler to go gas but small

I personally have never owned a small gas
TM
Just a butler and a power Genesis anything but simple lol

I do really like my EMT because of its size and the capability of removing it from the vehicle but I would be willing to say that repairs on the machine in that video are way simpler than the repairs on my EMT

I mean shoot 6 Grand is less than what I have in mind EMT set up
No, he is not making truck mounts at this time

Many of the issues were caused by him Nick was or still is a procrastinator after awhile that catches up with you when the interweb is faster. So much of what happened was not deserved. Nick could not say no to anyone, I told many times not to sell to certain people who had a well-known reputation for being a major pain in the gluteal
cleft.

Then it was the years of bulletin board jihad. He was just trying to make affordable truck mounts without kissing the bulletin board bullies butts.

This is all water under the bridge

There are many EZ users out there I now call all the machines orphans

What I am trying to do is if you see a used EZ for sale most going cheap you pretty much have a diamond in the ruff don't be afraid to buy it.

With a little effort and some wrenching, you will have a money maker

you can have any metal shop wrap stains steal tube for an HX or just gut the HX and go for a little giant or Johns HX
let the hate begin

Less parts than a ETM ?
Damn straight it is especially what you posted.
No cords-no down line booster - no generator or a Dryer to fooking move . .If I was full time or had a 2nd Van I would certainly have a K.I.S.S. TM.
AMEN
 

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As somebody that has owned a Chemtex for 7 years and now have it available as a backup since acquiring a butler I can tell you from experience that there is a huge difference in reliability and quality and output of the machine. I thought when I had my Chemtex that I had it made lol. It had the 20 hp Kohler engine and the 47 blower. What I have now discovered after having the butler is that the machine was greatly underpowered by the engine. I had 2 different pumps put in and both of them did not put out near the pressure of spray that the butler does. The vauum recovery is quite a bit different also. I can run this butler at low range and still have more vacuum power than if the Chemtex were screaming full blast and I don't even have the max blower system on the butler. I wouldn't have believed it myself the difference unless I experienced it myself. I'm so sold on the Hitler now that I will never go back to another machine. You don't know what you don't know. The Chemtex was a great starter machine but there is a huge difference in the two.

Sold on Hilter? LOL
 

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Sold on Hilter? LOL
I'm guessing autocorrect got ya Johnny and you meant butler not hilter. Yeah I am for sure sold lol. Even though I maintained my Chemtex very well I was always seeming to break down with this problem or that problem...literally like once a month. We have had the butler for 6 months now and have yet to have one breakdown. Which is similar to the other experiences of owners that I have read about...this is what lead me to buy one.
I don't care about having the most powerful machine out there...I just want one that works reliably and still does an awesome job. Even with only the one heat exchanger we still hold 200 all day long which is more than enough for carpet.
 
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I'm guessing autocorrect got ya Johnny and you meant butler not hilter. Yeah I am for sure sold lol. Even though I maintained my Chemtex very well I was always seeming to break down with this problem or that problem...literally like once a month. We have had the butler for 6 months now and have yet to have one breakdown. Which is similar to the other experiences of owners that I have read about...this is what lead me to buy one.
I don't care about having the most powerful machine out there...I just want one that works reliably and still does an awesome job. Even with only the one heat exchanger we still hold 200 all day long which is more than enough for carpet.

Auto correct didn't get me on the Hitler comment. It got you! I was just busting your balls, and giving you a hard time. Towards the end of your post it auto corrected to Hitler instead of Butler.
 

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The butler is a great machine, well layed out and a pleasure to work on. The Chemtex machine can be too, it takes some finesse and parts deletion/superceding, deleting kill circuit stuff, to get it to play nice all the time. Congrats on moving up to the Butler, you are going to love it!
 

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The butler is a great machine, well layed out and a pleasure to work on. The Chemtex machine can be too, it takes some finesse and parts deletion/superceding, deleting kill circuit stuff, to get it to play nice all the time. Congrats on moving up to the Butler, you are going to love it!
Already in love with it ! Even though we haven't and any repairs we have been ordering parts that might potentially go bad so we are ready . I love seeing the layout of this thing and how they have made it so easy to work on. I know with my Chemtex to change the belts you had to loosen up the water pump and it was a best to get to it and to get it back on tight. The coupler would go every 6 months or so and had to slide the engine out to repair that. With the butler the belts are done with a tensioner so nothing to take apart. Looks like a bunch of the connectors are all qd fittings so they will be easy. I've been super impressed with the suction and pressure of the machine. Thanks Jim !
 
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The butler is color coded, with QC's everywhere logical and is virtually bug free. Direct coupled blowers like the chemtex require alignment in x and y axis fashion or they eat couplers for breakfast. Sometimes, literally a beer can thickness shim under one side or end of the blower will stop that awful coupling dust from forming with a brand new one. Steamway units are exactly the same, 30 minutes to get the part in.... 1 hour to align everything perfect plus lots of bad words lol
 

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The butler is color coded, with QC's everywhere logical and is virtually bug free. Direct coupled blowers like the chemtex require alignment in x and y axis fashion or they eat couplers for breakfast. Sometimes, literally a beer can thickness shim under one side or end of the blower will stop that awful coupling dust from forming with a brand new one. Steamway units are exactly the same, 30 minutes to get the part in.... 1 hour to align everything perfect plus lots of bad words lol

This is why do not like couplers. I prefer to go with belts instead.
 

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I have a almost EZ but it's a Cobby 20-45 . 9 yrs and still strong. Paid less than $10 k great unit 240 temp atm . Simple & easy like me. Wide open and easy access. Had a Hydramaster 470 D and don't miss it. This works for me so simple is best no bells & whistles just strong parts. jz.
 
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The big name brand machines with big motors and HX are great when new and under warranty.

Its like owning a nice truck, you can buy it new if you can afford it but your assuming youll recover a good chunk of money when you sell it at or around 80k-100k miles.

Same with buying a new Everest... own it under warranty, use it like a workhorse make tons of money then sell it once the warranty is gone or its hours are getting up there and buy a new one.

Otherwise just go with a simple machine like a Judson etc

worst thing is to try and hang on to a high 5000+hrs HX machine with tons of sensors and extra crap lol repairs will rape you
 

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i decided to go with fuel/deisel heat 15 years ago never looked back....
since it is not tied in with your truckmount you can add a fuel heater get rid of the HX and your TM should last 50-60 years...

or a lifetime...just replace parts and your good.....
kinda like what judson does......

i have probably replaced 3 engines 1 blower 2-3 pumps in 18 years and still have only spent around 15k for the entire Truckmount...over the years......
thats about half of what an everest costs new.......

but I understand why guys dont want to have fuel heaters???
doesnt work for everyone.....
 
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I love it so basically you have to be a man and grow a pair.
Things break grow up!!! And Fix it !!!
Don't whine and cry!!! Fix it !!!
Work hard and you might be able to pay your bills!!!!

Never had a perfect day of work because it's work!!!
In conclusion whiners pull up your big girl pants fix it and go to work!!!
I have the EZ 35/47. The problems i had were immediately upon opening the crate. Even before it arrived. Was told Id get it in 3 weeks, took over 3 months......When it came in it was missing the reels and wand. Solution pump no good and looked used and wrenched on. finally got a new pump weeks later and upon starting it had pressure line crimps leaking all over. Replaced all those crap lines and and got them re crimped. had some other issues too but youll have to use the search option here to go through them all. EZ did offer to take it back and give me there newer design unit which i obliged. Wish i had kept the first because the second unit with the belly fresh tank had a couple different issues one being the fresh tank. it came in with debri/paint chips and crap i still to this day havent flushed totally out. oh and I had to open up the HX because the coil had a leak causing me to lose pressure when triggered. Oh did i mention the port hole leaks. theres alot of other behind the scenes stuff i wont mention because ive gone through this unit and now its running like a top knock on wood. no one should have to deal with this upon opening a crate and 14k paid in full.
 
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I'm good now though......... I'll keep this for a back up or if I find an assistant worth a damn. If I decide to clean carpet for the rest of my working years I'm going with an Aerotech if it makes sense.
 

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sad to say there is no easy economical way to buy and maintain a Truckmount.....

unless you are willing to go with fuel heat ...there can be major issues on the HX machines.....
whether garage build or Big 3

some of the BIG 3 can be worse and extremely difficult to diagnose and fix.......expecially if you dont have a warranty...

if you go fuel/deisel heat these TM will cut out 2/3 of your problems....but you do have to maintain and service these burners regularly as you can have an overburn where your igniter goes out and continues to spray fuel into your burner......
then it can ignite and catch your fireproof insulation on fire,,,,or at least smoldering.....
probably happens to everyone who owns a burner......
it has happened to me at least 4-5 times over the last 18 years with my 2 burners.......

this is a flaw in all deisel heaters and cannot be completely full proof..as all igniters will go out over time!!!!
 
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