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Cleaned an off white wool rug and it has severe browning issues. I've tried chemspec browning to no avail and some acetic acid with no luck either. Any ideas?
 

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What type of chemical did you use to clean it with?
 

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What backing and foundation yarns are involved?

Some things to try on a small area that might help until I get answers to above questions.

Mild Reducer (sodium Bisulfite) mixed with warm water - Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover at 1/2 to 2 ounces per gallon and heavy mist applied to the rug.

Mist with 3% hydrogen peroxide, simple drug store brown bottle which comes very diluted.

the action of either of the above would be increased by sunlight if available.
 
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What type of chemical did you use to clean it with?
What backing and foundation tarns are involved?

Some things to try on a small area that might help until I get answers to above questions.

Mild Reducer (sodium Bisulfite) mixed with warm water - Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover at 1/2 to 2 ounces per gallon and heavy mist applied to the rug.

Mist with 3% hydrogen peroxide, simple drug store brown bottle which comes very diluted.

the action of either of the above would be increased by sunlight if available.

It was was cleaned with Prochem fibre and Fabric rinse, quite a weak mix as it was cleaned in a bath. The rug is woven. Can't do anything about the sunshine I'm afraid. Chucking it down bucket loads here.
 

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Just saw an older thread of mine regarding a similar issue. Quite a few tips in there. Thanks guys. I did type browning in the search box, but all sorts of weird shit came up.
 

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I don't use a lot of prochem products so I couldn't help you anyways. Sorry but good luck!
 

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With a bath wash and humid weather, the issue may be cellulosic browning from cotton foundation yarns.

If the two suggestions above do not help, try an acid rinse preferably one with no surfactants such as Bridgepoint's Fab-Set.

Here are some articles with some additional ideas.
Yellowing

Chemicals Required

· Bridgepoint Fab-Set

· Bridgepoint Oxybuff Cotton Shampoo

· Bridgepoint Fabric Shampoo

· Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover

· Bridgepoint Spot Stop


Procedures

Yellowing may result from several factors or a combination of factors. Safer and simpler solutions are listed first. Test to see what process is safe and effective for each situation. Yellowing from age and/or exposure to sunlight will have weakened fabric. Proceed with caution.


1. Mix Fab-Set with warm water at 1:20. Spray a heavy mist onto the fabric. Work in with horse hair brush. Allow up to 10 minutes to determine if this corrects the yellowing.

2. If yellowing remains, mix 4 oz. Oxybuff Shampoo with 1 gallon hot water. Whip into foam. Apply using horse hair brush. Allow up to 20 minutes dwell time. For white or near-white fabrics, cleaning in direct sunlight will increase the effectiveness of this treatment.

3. Rinse. Make additional dry passes.

4. Apply heavy mist of Spot Stop. Brush into fabric.

5. If yellowing remains, mix Fabric Shampoo 1:4 with warm water. Add ½ oz. Coffee Stain Remover per gallon of ready-to-use solution. Whip into foam. Use horsehair brush to apply the foam and work it into the fabric. Allow 5 minutes to 20 minutes dwell time. For white or near-white fabrics, cleaning in direct sunlight will increase the effectiveness of this treatment.

6. Rinse. Make additional dry passes.

7. Apply heavy mist of Spot Stop. Brush into fabric.



Ideas for color bleed can also remove browning and yellowing.
Removing Color Bleed from Wool Rugs or Cotton Fringes

Not all methods are suitable to be used by all technicians or on all rugs.


I always prefer to start with the mildest or least aggressive method and see if it works. Then move to a stronger solution if needed.


Test each possible solution on just a few fibers to see the results, maybe with a small paint brush or a Q-Tip cotton swab. When you find what works, this can be used for the entire affected area.


Products used on dry fiber will normally work faster and better.


Follow label directions.


Any strong reducer and any oxidizer stronger than 3% has the potential to remove color or otherwise harm natural fibers. Oxidizers will be accelerated by letting the treated rug sit in bright sunlight when that is practical. Both oxidizers and reducers take some time to work. Don't judge the result until the test spot is dry.


Be sure any product used is rinsed away before applying a second product.


Here is a list of things starting with the least aggressive. REMEMBER: Rinse between each treatment. The chemicals do not mix well!


Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover in warm water. Start with a 2 ounce scoop to a quart of warm / hot water. You can adjust the strength by amount of powder used. Add another scoop if necessary.


3% hydrogen peroxide from drug store


Red Relief for Wool


Stain Magic for Wool


StainZONE diluted with 2 parts distilled water to 1 part StainZONE; StainZONE diluted with equal amount of distilled water.


Magic Color Remover from Master Blend. Can be used with heat with great caution. Rug Resurrection from Chem Max (Paul Lucas) in Norton Shores Michigan is very similar to Magic Color Remover. Both work great but can remove colors that you did not intend to remove or weaken natural fibers.


Polyproylene / olefin can be treated with laundry bleach / sodium hypochlorite. Start with 1:10 dilution but can go stronger if needed. Mist on. Allow dwell time. Rinse when the color has been removed. Try to avoid getting the backing too wet. Adhesives in the backing can be affected by bleach even if the face yarns are not.


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With a bath wash and humid weather, the issue may be cellulosic browning from cotton foundation yarns.

If the two suggestions above do not help, try an acid rinse preferably one with no surfactants such as Bridgepoint's Fab-Set.

Here are some articles with some additional ideas.
Yellowing

Chemicals Required

· Bridgepoint Fab-Set

· Bridgepoint Oxybuff Cotton Shampoo

· Bridgepoint Fabric Shampoo

· Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover

· Bridgepoint Spot Stop


Procedures

Yellowing may result from several factors or a combination of factors. Safer and simpler solutions are listed first. Test to see what process is safe and effective for each situation. Yellowing from age and/or exposure to sunlight will have weakened fabric. Proceed with caution.


1. Mix Fab-Set with warm water at 1:20. Spray a heavy mist onto the fabric. Work in with horse hair brush. Allow up to 10 minutes to determine if this corrects the yellowing.

2. If yellowing remains, mix 4 oz. Oxybuff Shampoo with 1 gallon hot water. Whip into foam. Apply using horse hair brush. Allow up to 20 minutes dwell time. For white or near-white fabrics, cleaning in direct sunlight will increase the effectiveness of this treatment.

3. Rinse. Make additional dry passes.

4. Apply heavy mist of Spot Stop. Brush into fabric.

5. If yellowing remains, mix Fabric Shampoo 1:4 with warm water. Add ½ oz. Coffee Stain Remover per gallon of ready-to-use solution. Whip into foam. Use horsehair brush to apply the foam and work it into the fabric. Allow 5 minutes to 20 minutes dwell time. For white or near-white fabrics, cleaning in direct sunlight will increase the effectiveness of this treatment.

6. Rinse. Make additional dry passes.

7. Apply heavy mist of Spot Stop. Brush into fabric.



Ideas for color bleed can also remove browning and yellowing.
Removing Color Bleed from Wool Rugs or Cotton Fringes

Not all methods are suitable to be used by all technicians or on all rugs.


I always prefer to start with the mildest or least aggressive method and see if it works. Then move to a stronger solution if needed.


Test each possible solution on just a few fibers to see the results, maybe with a small paint brush or a Q-Tip cotton swab. When you find what works, this can be used for the entire affected area.


Products used on dry fiber will normally work faster and better.


Follow label directions.


Any strong reducer and any oxidizer stronger than 3% has the potential to remove color or otherwise harm natural fibers. Oxidizers will be accelerated by letting the treated rug sit in bright sunlight when that is practical. Both oxidizers and reducers take some time to work. Don't judge the result until the test spot is dry.


Be sure any product used is rinsed away before applying a second product.


Here is a list of things starting with the least aggressive. REMEMBER: Rinse between each treatment. The chemicals do not mix well!


Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover in warm water. Start with a 2 ounce scoop to a quart of warm / hot water. You can adjust the strength by amount of powder used. Add another scoop if necessary.


3% hydrogen peroxide from drug store


Red Relief for Wool


Stain Magic for Wool


StainZONE diluted with 2 parts distilled water to 1 part StainZONE; StainZONE diluted with equal amount of distilled water.


Magic Color Remover from Master Blend. Can be used with heat with great caution. Rug Resurrection from Chem Max (Paul Lucas) in Norton Shores Michigan is very similar to Magic Color Remover. Both work great but can remove colors that you did not intend to remove or weaken natural fibers.


Polyproylene / olefin can be treated with laundry bleach / sodium hypochlorite. Start with 1:10 dilution but can go stronger if needed. Mist on. Allow dwell time. Rinse when the color has been removed. Try to avoid getting the backing too wet. Adhesives in the backing can be affected by bleach even if the face yarns are not.


Scott Warrington

Thanks Scott, really appreciate it, and thanks for the pdf that should help a lot.
 

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With a bath wash and humid weather, the issue may be cellulosic browning from cotton foundation yarns.

If the two suggestions above do not help, try an acid rinse preferably one with no surfactants such as Bridgepoint's Fab-Set.

Here are some articles with some additional ideas.
Yellowing

Chemicals Required

· Bridgepoint Fab-Set

· Bridgepoint Oxybuff Cotton Shampoo

· Bridgepoint Fabric Shampoo

· Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover

· Bridgepoint Spot Stop


Procedures

Yellowing may result from several factors or a combination of factors. Safer and simpler solutions are listed first. Test to see what process is safe and effective for each situation. Yellowing from age and/or exposure to sunlight will have weakened fabric. Proceed with caution.


1. Mix Fab-Set with warm water at 1:20. Spray a heavy mist onto the fabric. Work in with horse hair brush. Allow up to 10 minutes to determine if this corrects the yellowing.

2. If yellowing remains, mix 4 oz. Oxybuff Shampoo with 1 gallon hot water. Whip into foam. Apply using horse hair brush. Allow up to 20 minutes dwell time. For white or near-white fabrics, cleaning in direct sunlight will increase the effectiveness of this treatment.

3. Rinse. Make additional dry passes.

4. Apply heavy mist of Spot Stop. Brush into fabric.

5. If yellowing remains, mix Fabric Shampoo 1:4 with warm water. Add ½ oz. Coffee Stain Remover per gallon of ready-to-use solution. Whip into foam. Use horsehair brush to apply the foam and work it into the fabric. Allow 5 minutes to 20 minutes dwell time. For white or near-white fabrics, cleaning in direct sunlight will increase the effectiveness of this treatment.

6. Rinse. Make additional dry passes.

7. Apply heavy mist of Spot Stop. Brush into fabric.



Ideas for color bleed can also remove browning and yellowing.
Removing Color Bleed from Wool Rugs or Cotton Fringes

Not all methods are suitable to be used by all technicians or on all rugs.


I always prefer to start with the mildest or least aggressive method and see if it works. Then move to a stronger solution if needed.


Test each possible solution on just a few fibers to see the results, maybe with a small paint brush or a Q-Tip cotton swab. When you find what works, this can be used for the entire affected area.


Products used on dry fiber will normally work faster and better.


Follow label directions.


Any strong reducer and any oxidizer stronger than 3% has the potential to remove color or otherwise harm natural fibers. Oxidizers will be accelerated by letting the treated rug sit in bright sunlight when that is practical. Both oxidizers and reducers take some time to work. Don't judge the result until the test spot is dry.


Be sure any product used is rinsed away before applying a second product.


Here is a list of things starting with the least aggressive. REMEMBER: Rinse between each treatment. The chemicals do not mix well!


Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover in warm water. Start with a 2 ounce scoop to a quart of warm / hot water. You can adjust the strength by amount of powder used. Add another scoop if necessary.


3% hydrogen peroxide from drug store


Red Relief for Wool


Stain Magic for Wool


StainZONE diluted with 2 parts distilled water to 1 part StainZONE; StainZONE diluted with equal amount of distilled water.


Magic Color Remover from Master Blend. Can be used with heat with great caution. Rug Resurrection from Chem Max (Paul Lucas) in Norton Shores Michigan is very similar to Magic Color Remover. Both work great but can remove colors that you did not intend to remove or weaken natural fibers.


Polyproylene / olefin can be treated with laundry bleach / sodium hypochlorite. Start with 1:10 dilution but can go stronger if needed. Mist on. Allow dwell time. Rinse when the color has been removed. Try to avoid getting the backing too wet. Adhesives in the backing can be affected by bleach even if the face yarns are not.


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Good stuff here. Dry the rug upside down too.
 

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We've had the Sun out here today, so I've gone with the 3% hydrogen peroxide. Its hard to say how its doing with the sun bouncing off it. I will give it another go tomorrow. Weather permitting.
 
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With a bath wash and humid weather, the issue may be cellulosic browning from cotton foundation yarns.

If the two suggestions above do not help, try an acid rinse preferably one with no surfactants such as Bridgepoint's Fab-Set.

Here are some articles with some additional ideas.
Yellowing

Chemicals Required

· Bridgepoint Fab-Set

· Bridgepoint Oxybuff Cotton Shampoo

· Bridgepoint Fabric Shampoo

· Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover

· Bridgepoint Spot Stop


Procedures

Yellowing may result from several factors or a combination of factors. Safer and simpler solutions are listed first. Test to see what process is safe and effective for each situation. Yellowing from age and/or exposure to sunlight will have weakened fabric. Proceed with caution.


1. Mix Fab-Set with warm water at 1:20. Spray a heavy mist onto the fabric. Work in with horse hair brush. Allow up to 10 minutes to determine if this corrects the yellowing.

2. If yellowing remains, mix 4 oz. Oxybuff Shampoo with 1 gallon hot water. Whip into foam. Apply using horse hair brush. Allow up to 20 minutes dwell time. For white or near-white fabrics, cleaning in direct sunlight will increase the effectiveness of this treatment.

3. Rinse. Make additional dry passes.

4. Apply heavy mist of Spot Stop. Brush into fabric.

5. If yellowing remains, mix Fabric Shampoo 1:4 with warm water. Add ½ oz. Coffee Stain Remover per gallon of ready-to-use solution. Whip into foam. Use horsehair brush to apply the foam and work it into the fabric. Allow 5 minutes to 20 minutes dwell time. For white or near-white fabrics, cleaning in direct sunlight will increase the effectiveness of this treatment.

6. Rinse. Make additional dry passes.

7. Apply heavy mist of Spot Stop. Brush into fabric.



Ideas for color bleed can also remove browning and yellowing.
Removing Color Bleed from Wool Rugs or Cotton Fringes

Not all methods are suitable to be used by all technicians or on all rugs.


I always prefer to start with the mildest or least aggressive method and see if it works. Then move to a stronger solution if needed.


Test each possible solution on just a few fibers to see the results, maybe with a small paint brush or a Q-Tip cotton swab. When you find what works, this can be used for the entire affected area.


Products used on dry fiber will normally work faster and better.


Follow label directions.


Any strong reducer and any oxidizer stronger than 3% has the potential to remove color or otherwise harm natural fibers. Oxidizers will be accelerated by letting the treated rug sit in bright sunlight when that is practical. Both oxidizers and reducers take some time to work. Don't judge the result until the test spot is dry.


Be sure any product used is rinsed away before applying a second product.


Here is a list of things starting with the least aggressive. REMEMBER: Rinse between each treatment. The chemicals do not mix well!


Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover in warm water. Start with a 2 ounce scoop to a quart of warm / hot water. You can adjust the strength by amount of powder used. Add another scoop if necessary.


3% hydrogen peroxide from drug store


Red Relief for Wool


Stain Magic for Wool


StainZONE diluted with 2 parts distilled water to 1 part StainZONE; StainZONE diluted with equal amount of distilled water.


Magic Color Remover from Master Blend. Can be used with heat with great caution. Rug Resurrection from Chem Max (Paul Lucas) in Norton Shores Michigan is very similar to Magic Color Remover. Both work great but can remove colors that you did not intend to remove or weaken natural fibers.


Polyproylene / olefin can be treated with laundry bleach / sodium hypochlorite. Start with 1:10 dilution but can go stronger if needed. Mist on. Allow dwell time. Rinse when the color has been removed. Try to avoid getting the backing too wet. Adhesives in the backing can be affected by bleach even if the face yarns are not.


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This what I've tried so far:

Hydrogen peroxide 3%
Browning remover
Acid clean

In the sun the results look very good, once the rug dries out, not so good. The browning has been cured, the problem now, is the backing seems to have run into the fibres the rug looks very patchy. Can this be cured? Would a fringe bleach help, or will it ruin the fibres,
 

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What backing and foundation yarns are involved?

Some things to try on a small area that might help until I get answers to above questions.

Mild Reducer (sodium Bisulfite) mixed with warm water - Bridgepoint Coffee Stain Remover at 1/2 to 2 ounces per gallon and heavy mist applied to the rug.

Mist with 3% hydrogen peroxide, simple drug store brown bottle which comes very diluted.

the action of either of the above would be increased by sunlight if available.