don't believe you!!!!!
no one does $500 jobs!!!!
You have to do 6/7 Holmes to make that!!!! three rooms for $40!!!
With a extreme gas TM!!!!
Extreme Sarcasm intended
You can the Bentley or you can be kia
It's totally up to you
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no one does $500 jobs!!!!
You have to do 6/7 Holmes to make that!!!! three rooms for $40!!!
With a extreme gas TM!!!!
Extreme Sarcasm intended
You can the Bentley or you can be kia
It's totally up to you
I don’t think it’s funny like as in haha, but guys buying a $30000 setup and not lasting a year. It’s a shame they fall for the BIG POWER.
I’ll take my ETM, and have all the supporting equipment needed to do the job right vs “all’s you need is. Big TM”
This dummy made over 6 figures in yr , without debt.
I’ll take my ETM, and have all the supporting equipment needed to do the job right vs “all’s you need is. Big TM”
This dummy made over 6 figures in yr , without debt.
Makes you wonder with gas TM guys I know when I started with $1,000 a month payment was a big motivator to get work lol
I know that has to be a part of the equation toward why guys get their business up and going so quick and why are there so many 1 year and out operators
Well I think people think this way, $1000 is easy to pay back it’s a few jobs a mth. But $1000 a mth, plus personal expenses adds up. Now compound that with buying the correct auxiliary equipment, 175, crb, chemicals, pads, brushes,.....lost goes on and on. A ETM allows a operator to actually make money without large debt and allows for pro tools to be purchased. A $1000 a mth high powered TM payment makes no sense to me.
There are dozens of used truckmounts out there for less than 5k that have hundreds of hours and tens of thousands of dollars left in them with little extra work. I admire you guys for being so skilled with your etm but if you took 10 rookie. leaners and gave 5 strong portables and 5 decent used truckmounts, I'd bet anything that they average cleaner would work faster, and do better work with a truckmount. And if you dont have 5-10k for equipment to start your buisness you should likely go back to working for someone else.
When people say “portable” I’m thinking a 2 5.7 type machine 100psi and such. ETMs have come a long long way, with two 8.4s and 800 psi. We’re really not that far behind. There’s only so many cfms you can suck thru a 2” wand.
I’m not saying I’d not want a TM one day in addition. Right one it would be useless as winter here lasts 6mths at our elevation. If I ever get a heated shop I’d like a machine to double wand. My 11 yr old is kicking butt cleaning. He did his first 2 room job the other day by himself only getting help carrying equipment like the crb.
I’m not saying I’d not want a TM one day in addition. Right one it would be useless as winter here lasts 6mths at our elevation. If I ever get a heated shop I’d like a machine to double wand. My 11 yr old is kicking butt cleaning. He did his first 2 room job the other day by himself only getting help carrying equipment like the crb.
Lots of guys get sucked into the jon don $1000/month program... its kind of sink or swim.
I started with porty and all commercial work.
TM is just the natural progression of a healthy cleaning business because at a certain point efficency becomes a factor and a healthy business can easily generate the cost of a 20k-30k tm in 1-1.5 months with just 1 truck.
Also I love rotovac, they are local here and I visit their factory frequently.... but there is a reason HVAC industry requires a SEER rating on units... its easy to make all sorts of claims
I started with porty and all commercial work.
TM is just the natural progression of a healthy cleaning business because at a certain point efficency becomes a factor and a healthy business can easily generate the cost of a 20k-30k tm in 1-1.5 months with just 1 truck.
Also I love rotovac, they are local here and I visit their factory frequently.... but there is a reason HVAC industry requires a SEER rating on units... its easy to make all sorts of claims
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specy question:
how much vacuum is a
1. high vac portable with a
2. high powered booster
this is my calculation:
mytee, jaguar or rotovac...or any with 2-3stage vac motors
gets around
200 cfm and 10" mercury lift
2 of these daisy chained would double this to"
400 cfm
20" lift
does this look correct??
if that is true that would be more vacuum than a
45 blower TM at full capacity(350cfm is max)
how much vacuum is a
1. high vac portable with a
2. high powered booster
this is my calculation:
mytee, jaguar or rotovac...or any with 2-3stage vac motors
gets around
200 cfm and 10" mercury lift
2 of these daisy chained would double this to"
400 cfm
20" lift
does this look correct??
if that is true that would be more vacuum than a
45 blower TM at full capacity(350cfm is max)
I would say forget about CFM and lift numbers, if my etm gives the drying time as a TM then I can tell you they are not too far away. I tell my customers 2-4 hours of drying time without a fan as long as AC on or heat on. But if we have to go with numbers according to manufacturer my HP 5.7 dual in parallel produces around 240cfm and 11 lift(mercury), by placing a vac booster closer to the wand only adds CFM not lift. For example my booster has about 130cfm, 240 + 130 equals to 370cfm with 10-11 lift. By placing the booster closer to the wand will give even higher CFM then 370.
The feel of vac power at the wand, all number and speculations aside the best I have seen with high powered ETM and booster close to wand was pretty close to a 36 blower but to get that requires multiple circuits, power cords, and still you need heat.
Its great for hose runs around 100-150ft and an economical set up..
I would consider a 45 blower a pretty small blower, the minimum imo... and its significantly more powerful than electric vacs
Unless you get your portable closer to the wand. For electric personally I wouldnt run much more than 75ft
Its great for hose runs around 100-150ft and an economical set up..
I would consider a 45 blower a pretty small blower, the minimum imo... and its significantly more powerful than electric vacs
Unless you get your portable closer to the wand. For electric personally I wouldnt run much more than 75ft
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My brother and I run our homebrewed LX portables side by side with a 45 blower direct coupled TM. Production and results are identical at 100'. The heat exchanger TM at 6 flow (1.25 GPM) has slightly higher heat, the portable at 1.75 GPM will maintain 155° fed hot tap water with it's heat exchanger (3 fifteen amp cords total 2 for the machine and 1 for heat).
For us the portable has more flow, faster lift response and slightly less heat and the TM only has the edge on heat in our case.
Our portables are auto fill, auto dump, high efficiency in the recovery tank filter, chemical injection and on board heat exchanger, everything is on the machine, just plug in 3 cords and 2 12' hoses and you are running, this is different than most other portable setups that require multiple items to be set up and connected together. This makes setup time almost as fast as a TM for us. Portables are catching up quickly to TM's IMO and with the ability to move it closer to the work the right setup has certain advantages. Having both is even better.
I agree with you to a point but as I mentioned above that moving the booster closer to the wand is a different story. This is the set up I did last year, the main machine sits in the van that will use 2 15amp lines, 25-50 feet of hose will be hooked to this machine till the door and right at the door I would place the vac booster and from there on another 50-75 ft to my wand will have amazing performance with total of 3 15amp lines.
Also forgot to mention about the set up time of my etm. I have power reels for electricity very easy to pull and roll them back. For most houses I am ready to spray with in 7-8min, this is setting up by my self as my son pre vacs, it takes extra few minutes more to set this etm if the water supply is at the back of the house, the tidy up is faster because both of us do the tidy up. I don't know how faster someone can get with an etm regards to set up? Jim is right portables are not far away catching up to the TMS. From dry times, to set ups are identical.
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set up/tear down and speed is definitely not identical but to each their own my friend.
Ive maxed out what can be done in a work day or a busy month running ETM so I have a very clear understanding of what that looks like.
The additional fuel costs, maintenance, initial purchase all way way more than absorbed by the increase productivity. fwiw I had a hard time grasping this when I ran portable or ETM
its amazing what a person can get used to if you do it every day all day. To me running an ETM with our work load sounds like a nightmare.
Do what ever works for your business, and make sure your growing every year always moving forward.
When you had your etm did you run a generator to power it up?
I am not defending etm over tm. I have mentioned it before on my other posts that if I were to live in the States I would get a big ass TM lol. The place I am in is not the best market for it trust me. The gas prices are higher then yours also to own a brand new TM as 370 is 35k plus van. There's no used TM in the market. There was one about 6 months ago for 5k, this guy bought it and it broke on the 3rd day. In this case I have to make my etm as close as to a TM and I believe I did by adding retractable power cords that saves me a big hassle. I think to be good at it you need to add positive things and take away the negative things, also experience running etms helps as well. Lots of guys can't run etms because they are not patient, lack of experience and not intending to take the negativity and add positivity for improvements.
How long does it take you to set up your tm? For me 7-8 min I am ready to spray. Don't you think that's great?
thats pretty good for set up not bad. set up for us varies depending on the job, we often are doing more than just carpets. As far as just getting ready to spray for a carpet only ticket then its just a matter pulling into the driveway.
of course there is vacuuming, floor protection, bringing fans up to the porch, corner guards, huggers, etc
