Portable machine recommendation for a new TMF Ride Along

rob allen

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This week we have the privledge of training Anthony (Tony) Ehrenzeller in our new TMF "Ride Along" Program. He wants to get started with a portable. I know only a lttle about new portables because it has been about 15 years since I used one. He said he would like a unit that cleans carpets and if possible tile and grout.
So the question is what is a good portable for him to start with?

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Olympus or Truck force I don't know about heat options on those.
I used a US Products HHP 300 when I first started and still have it although it is in need of some repair and hasn't been used in 8 years.
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Well if he really needs something for tile and grout then obviously it needs to be something with 1000psi or better. There's a few on the market that have that kind of psi. My favorite is the Truckforce by Masterblend. If he doesn't want something that can do T&G then how about a Mytee or a Ninja with 500psi and dual 3 stage vacs.

I used a porty for a long time before jumping into a tm. Today I have a porty in every van. They are all either Mytee or Ninja.
 

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MasterBlends MasterForce Model 1203 with 1200 PSI. Similar to the TruckForce but the water and waste tanks are smaller, but it has auto-dump, auto-fill, and chemical meter (dema valve). This would elimate the most common frustrations of portable use......filling & dumping. No heat. If you add heat to a portable, you will need 3 plugs minimum or you can use and external propane heater. I might be mistaken, but I think you can have this portable modified to accept 2" vac line.

Check out MasterForce here MasterBlend - MasterForce: Power to Go.


Also, you might consider the Savage Extreme Beast Savage-1 Electronic Truck Mounts
 

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Are Ninja's still around? they used to be good units.
 

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Four or five good choices have been mentioned. Many brands use the same pumps and vacuums.

The plumbing and quality of assembly are important. This can vary from manufacturer to manufacturer but also from machine to machine. Just like cars. Most Fords are fine but you can get one that seems to have passed a point on the assembly line while someone was on a restroom break.

See any machine first hand before it is purchased. Check for good electrical connections, plumbing tight and not leaky, wheels that turn smoothly and so forth.

Other factors may come down to personal preference, the type of jobs being done and cost. For example - U.S. products has a 1200 PSI model with a reel to carry the hose built-in. One some jobs that can be really handy. On another job, it just makes the machine big, bulky and hard to manuever.

Of course, I promote the Olympus M1200. It is a good machine, but I know it is not the only good high pressure portable.

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There are a variety of portable extractors available on the market as has been mentioned. Most of them are very good quality. So how would one determine which one to buy? I think shopping and comparing is the best way to choose. Some of the units mentioned are twice the price of a similar competing brand and the components (vacs and pumps) are the same.

I think the market is moving to more modular equipment. We at Mytee are developing a powerful base unit with auto fill/pump-out, that PCC can start with and add feature (such as heat, a booster vac, grout cleaning capabilities) as they are needed or can afford them. This keeps the machine lighter and more maneuverable. (which is very important if one works alone or has employees) This unit will be the bases of an electric trunk mount, and at a very affordable price. Some of these components will be on display at the Connection Show in Las Vegas.

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I used a Ninja with dual 3 stage vacs and 500psi pump for the first two years in bizz before I could buy the truckmount. It served us well. Today portables have got much better with some of the higher models mentioned, however, as a veteran porty user now a few things to keep in mind.

1. Weight. Remember you will have to drag this thing in and out of your vehicle as well as up and down stairs, so the big bad 185lb models may not be your best choice.

2. Power consumption. Newer models come with a circuit locator, very useful for porty jobs. We never had one with the Ninja and had to become amateur electricians at times to diagnose where to plug in stuff and what type of cords to use. Killed a couple of motors learning all that. Adding heater will mean even more power draw, power is your biggest concern when porty cleaning and your lucky if you dont blow a breaker on any job. If you use extension cords use heavy duty ones, dont use 16g regular cords. Use 14g or thicker. Else you will kill your motor.

3. Water pressure. A "500psi" model is only going to give you about 300psi at the wand. Watch how far the pressure needle drops when you squeeze the trigger, your wand type will make a difference here too. I wouldnt use a 4jet wand with a porty because you cant keep the pressure up.

4. parts availability. No matter what model you choose, stuff is going to break down, you will have to learn how to replace a pump, vac or motor to start, usually at least once a year if you are busy. The only original part on our ninja now is the molded housing, and even that has a few "modifications" on it now. make sure you can get parts for it easily and fast, and check price on those "parts". A new pump for the Ninja was over 600 dollars at the time (for a hypro) , theyve come down a bit now and they use better pumps now too.

5. Never ever ever use fibre rinse or any sort of acid rinse in your porty, unless you want to be replacing pumps every three months. Something our supplier had no clue about when we were frantically trying to figure out why our pump kept going. but he loved selling me more pumps. Always remember when something goes wrong, your supplier knows SQUAT. They know how to sell a box of soap, thats it. Its up to you to learn whats wrong and fix it yourself.

With all that said, I will still say that my "dream" porty would be either US products King Cobra 1200pro (a bit heavy tho) or Hydroforce FX-88HP for Tile Cleaning as well. (Not as heavy but I think no heat) Get an inline heater if you can afford it.
 
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I have a Torrent by US products and it is a very good machine. It does not have heat, so that is an important consideration. I use is mostly for tile and grout, but I do use it in commercial locations for carpet. It has a metering valve for the rinse and in most commercial locations there is plenty of hot water available. It does have an auto pump out, which is very nice. It pulls very hard and leaved the carpets I have done very dry.

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Well, I have two portables, Cleancraft eclipse quad 500 and masterblend truckforce 3500.
both are good machine, but I will give my review from both.

Eclipse quad 500
PROS
2 stages 4 vacuum motors in series so it will give you mor water lift
People say it is complicated tp repair, but not, it is easier than truckforce
It has more room than truckforce, I thinking to replace motors with 3 stages motors
circuit locator
easier to maneuver than truckforce
only 25 feet cord
Cons
small solution tank
weak pump, rated 500 psi, truckforce 3500 can give you over 600
solution and vacuum hoses connectors are located in the back of the machine
no prime valve
no heater in this model

Truckforce 3500
Pros
22 gallons solution tank
strong pump
prime valve
50 ft cords
50 ft solution, vacuum and pump out hose
25 ft autofeeding hose

Cons
very heavy machine
there is a no way how to empty the solution tank
no heater option
small recovery tank

I think truckforce 1200 psi will be a good carpet and T+G cleaning machine, butI don't think it has a good suction unless the 2 stages 2 vacuum motors be replaced by a 3 stages motors, then you can use it for carpets
 

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Richard Baldwin...

... Never ever ever use fibre rinse or any sort of acid rinse in your porty, unless you want to be replacing pumps every three months. Something our supplier had no clue about when we were frantically trying to figure out why our pump kept going. but he loved selling me more pumps. :(

Always remember when something goes wrong, your supplier knows SQUAT.:mad:

They know how to sell a box of soap, thats it. Its up to you to learn whats wrong and fix it yourself.:D

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These may be the most true words uttered here...:p Smilies added...
 

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Hi Richard,

How does acid rinse hurt a pump? In Mytee's we use a 500 psi Pumptec with Vee pak seals and I'm not aware of any problems with acids. Actually, we have very good success with this pump. One guy on another board had a 5 or 6 year old Mytee that the pump finally failed after he said he made $200,000.00 with it. What kind of pump failed for you and was it the seals or what that failed? Sorry to hear of the lack of support from your Dist. There are some real good ones out there.

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Seems to me acid rinse would keep the unit cleaner. What is the average ph of acid rinse? Do you know John?
Robert Allen.