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Hi Everybody,

As my post count indicates, I am very new to this board. I'll be tossing lots of questions out there, many of which might seem senseless, but I am just trying to get a grip on all of this. So I thank all of you in advance for your patience and help.

I've been spending a lot of time trying to decide between a porty or a tm. Obviously I am new to all of this and budget is certainly a factor, but so is my learning curve.

My goal is to build a system that is efficient, not intrusive to the customer and will above all allow me to a great job and earn repeat business. I'd like to accomplish this with a portable.

What I'd like know is if there is a portable that can run entirely off of 15 amp power and deliver quality results? I do not want to move appliances around to access 20 amp power. I'm also leery of tripping breakers. I'd really like to keep it simple with 15 amp. What kind of psi and vacuum power can I expect? It seems that 500 psi is the norm and what's required in terms of power to get the job done as is a 3 stage pick-up. I'm also considering a Rotovac. Again, I just want to do a great job.

Does anyone use a generator in their van/truck to supply the power to a portable?

How do you accomplish heat with a porty? I know many machines offer inline heat, but how does that effect the power issue raised above? What is the best way to get heat with a porty that will not be truck mounted?

How frequently do you need to change the water with the porty? I know the size of the tanks is obviously a factor as well as how you clean, but do most of you manually change the water or are you hooked up to the clients water line or do you use a water tank in your truck? If you use the clients water line, how do they generally react? Along the same lines is it safe to assume you pump out to a tank in your truck/van or just pump out the waste during or at the end of the job to the toilet or sewer?

Many of you talk about using a porty with 100' of hose - sometimes more - when needed, but usually adding a booster to accomplish this. How does the booster work? You add it at an extension in the hose and plug it in the wall? Right now I'm thinking of just having the machine entirely portable but I could see this maybe being an issue with second story and higher jobs?

Overall, I am leaning towards a portable. I know there is more work involved, but if it seems that it's done right you can do just a good of a job as a tm in many respects and it will allow me to grow and learn the business.

Again, I just want to get the right equipment to do a great job so I can make people happy and not have to worry about tripping breakers, moving ovens or dryers and running around with buckets of water.

I hope I can do this with a porty.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and I look forward to your feedback!
 

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Rickie really has a fine machine in the Recoil XPS if you have the budget for it. Ed Valentine is the guy to talk to on the Recoil.

The Titan X3 is also right there with the Recoil!... Surperglide Ken of TurboTeck is the guy to talk to about it.

Those two machines above wil allow you to run from a van like a TM... WITHOUT the higher fuel cost and maintenance upkeep of a TM. I hope to own one sometime this year God willing.

If those machines are a little high for your budget, let me suggest the Mytee M-5, which is what I have. It's a powerful porty with 500 psi, 2 - 3 stage vacs, auto fill and pump out and a 15 gal tank. You can get it for around $2100 or less. It's a really reliable portable and believe me it'll get the job done!!!

Check it out...:AddEmoticons0423:
 

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If money is a problem, I will sugest you a decent portable like mytee 1003dx, try to use good chemicals in the begining, i'd use prochem (ultrapac, poweburst and the rinse), until you learn more about chemicals. try to get a small buffer for agitation, a good vacuum of course.
 

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I do not think you will be satisfied with a portable that operate off of 15 amp electric only. However, must homes built in the last 25 years will have plenty of 20 amp outlets without the need to move any appliances around. We are not talking about 220 volt outlets, just standard 110 outlets with 20 amp service. It is very common.

When deciding between truckmount and portable, I suggest that you analyze your target market. Who do oyu want to work for?

Upper and middle income single family homes will usually be expecting a truckmount. You could be at a marketing disadvantage with a portable. On the other hand high rise apaetment buildings, banks and other businesses that may want to lock you in are easier reached with a portable.
 

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I do not think you will be satisfied with a portable that operate off of 15 amp electric only. However, must homes built in the last 25 years will have plenty of 20 amp outlets without the need to move any appliances around. We are not talking about 220 volt outlets, just standard 110 outlets with 20 amp service. It is very common.

When deciding between truckmount and portable, I suggest that you analyze your target market. Who do oyu want to work for?

Upper and middle income single family homes will usually be expecting a truckmount. You could be at a marketing disadvantage with a portable. On the other hand high rise apaetment buildings, banks and other businesses that may want to lock you in are easier reached with a portable.
Scott, I think with portables getting more powerful...a CC with a good portable can challenge in the TM residential cleaning market! Especially with in this economy. It all comes down to marketing and cleaning skill. I intend to prove it!
 

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Thanks for the feedback so far, great help. To address one concern that has come up, my budget is about $5K - $7K for the machine. What about the water issue? How do you porty guys deal with that?
 

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Damon, that is actually a bigger budget than most people have. IMO I think you can get any porty (w/heat) that you want. Although I am partial to a certain company, nowadays all portables are really good and can do an awesome job if in the right hands, I would take a look at your local supplier and see what they have to offer. Chances are they will have just what you need.

BTW-What city are you in?

As far as the water ?? Most portables come with auto fill/dump (for extra $ of course) and can be ran all day. If you choose not to go the auto route, you can get very creative and come up with ideas with buckets, tanks, ect....to help your certain situation out. Good Luck!
 

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Thanks for the info, floor guy.

What do you use as a source for the auto fill/dump? I don't like to assume, but is it safe to say you run two lines into the machine to accomplish this, but where is the water coming from? Do you use a tank in your vehicle or the clients waterline? Where are you dumping your water? Like I said, I am clueless and will ask questions that are plainly obvious, but I really want to make sure I understand.

Thanks Again!
 

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Well, if you want to start in the biz, i will suggest a portable, Jondon also is having a great deal with the solus 500 what i tried it and the evolution wand is great, the heat from the solus 500 surpassed my expectation. also your marketing point can be the portable got the gold certification from the CRI (carpet rug institute).
 

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I don't have the auto options (yet) I actually have huge tanks from Bane. The supply is 70 gallons and the waste tank is 110 gallons. If you look at the tanks, you will see that the portable(s) fit right in there like a glove.

With all that being said, if I had to do it all over again........I would get the same porty (Recoil XPS) and the auto dump/fill feature. I would also get the propane heater again. After I had all that I would get some food containers and/or some good size tanks (this is where you get creative) to have the option of carrying your own water. I dump all my water at a local RV park or of I am in a crunch, I will take it to a Chevron dump station.
 

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Cool Floor Guy,

Do you keep your machine in your vehicle at all times? If not, how do you refill/dump to your tanks?

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Scott, I think with portables getting more powerful...a CC with a good portable can challenge in the TM residential cleaning market! Especially with in this economy. It all comes down to marketing and cleaning skill. I intend to prove it!
I agree completely. Note that my comment was about being satisfied with "aportable that operates off only 15 amps electric" that had been in the original post. Many fine powerful portables. We sell some of them. But you will get a lot more usefulness out of a machine that used more than 15 amps, either dual cords or at least a 20 amp circuit.
 

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Hi Scott,

Thanks for contributing to the discussion.

I noticed that you're a vendor and maybe you could help point me in the right direction.

I think I want to start with a portable for a number of reasons, but I'm leery of two things, popping breakers and auto fill/dump issues. I want to do a great job, but not inconvenience the customer. Moving appliances and dumping dirty water/fetching water from the bathroom is not something that I think a majority customers want to see.

Is there any way to avoid this with a porty?

I have a decent budget (I think) and I'm willing to work like a mule. I just want to be professional and swift.

What are your thoughts? What do you recommend?

Thanks for your feedback.
 

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Hey Damon, I suggest you to talk with E (floorguy), me, or Ecopro, we tried many products, we tested mands, products etc etc. E is very happy with his recoil, i was not happy with my eclipse until i modified, but I think you can go wrong with a solus 500 or a recoil, but make sure you know your target market.
 

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Thanks Jaime,

Yes, you're right. The question I asked Scott can be applied to anyone that wants to throw in their input.

My two biggest concerns are listed above in my previous post.

I do like the Solus 500 as well as the King Cobra. But again, my two big concerns are those listed above in my other post.

Thanks again, Jaime.
 

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look into masterblend.net. they have some nice portables too. I would make sure that auto fill auto dump comes standard and is not a $700 add on. You might want to look at a SAVAGE BEAST TM for that kind of budget. I would personally give Bob savage a call if I were you.

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Hi Everybody,

As my post count indicates, I am very new to this board. I'll be tossing lots of questions out there, many of which might seem senseless, but I am just trying to get a grip on all of this. So I thank all of you in advance for your patience and help.!
NP, that's what were here for!

I've been spending a lot of time trying to decide between a porty or a tm. Obviously I am new to all of this and budget is certainly a factor, but so is my learning curve.

You have no clientelle and not a lot of experience or cash yet. So start with a porty.

My goal is to build a system that is efficient, not intrusive to the customer and will above all allow me to a great job and earn repeat business. I'd like to accomplish this with a portable.

Portable unit will be more intrusive. You will have to set up the unit in their kitchen or bathroom in most cases, use their water, try not to overfill and flood the customers floor, and use their power while making a lot of noise. Sorry, but thats the life of a porty user. Later on with TM you will be much less intrusive only bringing the hose, wand and a few accessories into the house and working your way out the door.

What I'd like know is if there is a portable that can run entirely off of 15 amp power and deliver quality results? I do not want to move appliances around to access 20 amp power. I'm also leery of tripping breakers. I'd really like to keep it simple with 15 amp. What kind of psi and vacuum power can I expect? It seems that 500 psi is the norm and what's required in terms of power to get the job done as is a 3 stage pick-up. I'm also considering a Rotovac. Again, I just want to do a great job.

Does anyone use a generator in their van/truck to supply the power to a portable?

[I]I've often asked this question too. I dont think many do. At times it could come in handy, but space in the van is a factor to consider as well as safety. [/I]

How do you accomplish heat with a porty? I know many machines offer inline heat, but how does that effect the power issue raised above? What is the best way to get heat with a porty that will not be truck mounted?

Porty units will come with heat, or extra vac units. Usually there isnt enough room for both and you must make a choice between heat and extra vac power. If a unit does come with "the works" it usually weighs almost 200 lbs. Good luck getting that up three flights of steps. You could buy a separate inline heating unit and go for dual three stage vacs, but you will need to locate an extra circuit.

How frequently do you need to change the water with the porty? I know the size of the tanks is obviously a factor as well as how you clean, but do most of you manually change the water or are you hooked up to the clients water line or do you use a water tank in your truck? If you use the clients water line, how do they generally react? Along the same lines is it safe to assume you pump out to a tank in your truck/van or just pump out the waste during or at the end of the job to the toilet or sewer?

Most of the newer high end units come with auto fill and auto pumpout. Mine didnt unfortunately. Depending on your cleaning style and the type of job is how often you will dump and fill if you are doing it manually. For me, one tank might do 2 rooms.

Many of you talk about using a porty with 100' of hose - sometimes more - when needed, but usually adding a booster to accomplish this. How does the booster work? You add it at an extension in the hose and plug it in the wall? Right now I'm thinking of just having the machine entirely portable but I could see this maybe being an issue with second story and higher jobs?

[I]I wouldnt attempt running a porty with 100ft of hose. Even 50ft is pushing it. You dont want carpets that take a week to dry, that wont help your rep. If you are going to invest in a booster and all that extra stuff, you may as well of bought an entry level TM for almost the same investment and save yourself carrying and setting up all that gear. [/I]

Overall, I am leaning towards a portable. I know there is more work involved, but if it seems that it's done right you can do just a good of a job as a tm in many respects and it will allow me to grow and learn the business.

You are better off getting started with a porty, but I wouldnt buy too many assesories like heaters and vac boosters just yet. Yes you can do a good job with it, I used one for 2 years before getting a TM, but that's up to you. Be thorough both with your cleaning and your extraction and make sure drying conditions are optimum as you can get.

Again, I just want to get the right equipment to do a great job so I can make people happy and not have to worry about tripping breakers, moving ovens or dryers and running around with buckets of water.

A dual three stage system, or dual 2 stage with heater will require 2 separate circuits. You can get a circuit locator fairly cheap through your supplier, jondon, or even an electrical dealer and it should help. After a while you will just learn where to find the circuits. There will be some situations where you can only use one circuit and have to forgo the second vac, like the hallway of an apartment building for example. If you use extension cords, do not use thin "garden variety" cords. They will destroy your motor. Use the heaviest gauge extension cord you can get. All that juice needs a bigger straw for that hungry pump and vac motor and if you overwork them they will die.

I hope I can do this with a porty.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and I look forward to your feedback
 

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Damon, i think king cobra will give tons of pain, it has only 1 vac motor. between solus and king, solus is far better.

Frank, I have a truckforce, and it is bad, lack of vacuum power. toooo heaaaaaavy, 22 gallons for the solution tank and 11 for the recovery. it does not make sense.

Steaming demons can be really good, but maybe for commercial, no hot water at all, yeah hi flow, but a costumer might tell what the hell is that? so I don;t know.
Savage Truckmount I don;t know anything about it, yes you can run it from the van, but so the recoil, for a lot less, and use a little giant and a booster and you did all that less than 6 k and have 1 k for marketing.
I seen the pic how internally the recoil is, and it looks pretty simple, nice, neat, etc, also light, less than 100 pounds.
lets say with the shipping how much will you spend.
recoil $3400
little giant 3 $1500
Mytee booster $700
cleaning agetns $100
total: $5700
you can also get and inline heater for $500

that will be a nice set up.
Now the van is extra money.
If i will start everything again. I will do.
the solus 500 or a 1003dx ( i didn't try it yet but I will soon) and a mytee booster. And I will tell why. it is a low start up, US Products offers a life time warranty in the heater and water pre heating system, and more money for marketing and i will focus my target in condos and small commercial accounts.
 

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