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Johnny Bravo

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If I may make an observation here:

The only truly OBJECTIVE cleaning results between wands cannot be gotten by a single user, nor can they be gotten by a single manufacturer.

They can only be achieved with field testing over multiple types of surfaces, in the hands of multiple cleaners, from different areas of the country (where conditions will vary), powered by different types of machines.

And do you know what your OBJECTIVE results will be?

Some folks will like Wand A, others will prefer Wand B, and still others will like Wand C. Wands D, E, and F will have their loyal adherents too.

None of you cleans carpets the same way, from the same height, with the same shoes on your feet, after having had the same night's sleep on the same mattress the night before. Some of you have been doing this since the 80s and have aches and pains that the new guys lack. Some of you have just started and are open to any idea if it makes the job go faster. Some of you are choppers, some of you are leaf-rakers, some of you are bowlers, and some of you wouldn't know a non-powered wand if you tripped over it. You do residential, CGD, squares, and I'm sure some of you have been asked to clean astroturf.

Everyone here is going to have a preference. And that preference may sometimes be based on resistance to change, but as often as not it is based on a genuine, deep-seated belief that what's in your hands is truly the best tool for your jobs.

In other words, my dear ones, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE.

So ease up on the name-calling, both ways please.

Distributors tend to get the stink-eye from carpet cleaners because they make their money selling stuff. Like cleaners, distributors suffer when fly-by-nights enter the ring. This, alas, means that a good distributor who means well and genuinely wants to promote products that will make the job better, faster, and easier will get viewed with suspicion.

By the same token, distributors are successful when they listen to what customers ask for, not when they try to horse-collar customers into buying what they want to sell based on profit-margin. A good distributor listens, and understands that there are many manufacturers out there putting out quality products. To try to pigeonhole the entire industry into ONE manufacturer or ONE chemical company or ONE process is, at best, detrimental and, at worst, destructive.

We all know folks in our industry that we don't agree with, or have a personal disagreement with, and that is to be expected. But don't detract from one another's dignity by resorting to insults. It makes us ALL look bad.

One's success, family, political leanings, or monetary situation should never be used as weaponry. Personal attacks are more degrading to the aggressor than to the victim.

Always a class act @Mama Fen
 

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Thanks, Johnny. I'm feeling just cranky enough to speak my mind today - didn't have enough coffee this morning. Grrrr.
It's Winter.
Never drank cup coffee in my life.
You had many valid points in your rant.
The rest, we will have to agree to disagree.
Have a nice weekend!
 

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It's Winter.
Never drank cup coffee in my life.
You had many valid points in your rant.
The rest, we will have to agree to disagree.
Have a nice weekend!
No coffee? Oh my goodness - you don't know what you're missing.

Sorry it came across as a 'rant' - but thanks for the opportunity nonetheless (y)
 

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It wasnt a rant Mama Fen it was what you do best,providing unbiased totally honest feedback and advice that is invaluable thank you.Your honesty and wise words are most appreciated
 

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My thing was this. If you going to speak on someone tool. Allow the creator to come and speak. I also don't believe in bashing. If your product is good enough you don't need to bash anyone.
 
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Honestly, I think the equipment at the other end of the hose has a good bit to say about which tool will work the best. There is always the operator technique that can influence the outcome a good bit too. I have certain thoughts on glides and wand barrel size vs hose run and a steady clogging filter vs static lift with the wand attached, but not on the floor... with TM's if you are venting at the truck while normally cleaning there is an problem.

Dry times vary tremendously within my own home with the same wand. I have polyester in the mudroom that will be dry in under 3 hours and a nylon cut pile Saxony right next to it that takes many hours longer to dry when cleaned exactly the same. That isn't the wand or the equipments fault at all.

I do think that the new guys suffer the worst in board suggestion wand choices, because this is where experience really needs to guide the barrel size, vac opening length and flow size has a huge influence on speed and thoroughness and this can only be selected based on the equipment running it.
 

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My thing was this. If you going to speak on someone tool. Allow the creator to come and speak. I also don't believe in bashing. If your product is good enough you don't need to bash anyone.
See reply 100 this thread.
 

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Been using evolution wands with an 8 flow for the last couple years, happy with how light they are, and recovery what I dont like about them is the plastic heads warp,overspray due to no splashguards, you cant hear the "wand wistle" when their clean let alone when you have a dead cat stuck in the head and they seem to clog overly easy.
Considering swivels but worry about durability (my guys could tear up a steel anvil with a tickle feather i swear). not opposed to spending 1000+ or so on a wand but at that price the cheese would prob slide off my cracker if one of my guys tore it up.

Im considering a devastator, TMF custom, has anyone used the mytee duel vacuum slot wand @JohnLaBarbera

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, running titan 575s, CDS 4.8, 870.
The Delcron glide will need replacing (tougher than teflon but will need it, makes big difference between worn out and still good)

Weird, I've had a evolution for over 8 years and the ABS head has never warped. it is plastic so place of storage is important.

Consider The Bonzer from rotovac corp
 

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I'm just calling out false advertising when I see it. A few years ago, the creator of the Bonzer did the same type of false advertising to boost sales of the stupid rotovac. Do any of you remember this picture attached? He did two things purposely wrong, he went too fast and or put tiny flow jets on the tool to make that aw29 (that most of you new guys use who do awesome work) make those streaks. He purposely and falsely attacked another tool to sell his products that isn't needed. And Rob is doing the exact same thing. I don't see anyone else getting those results on their zipper like was shown above.
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That was NOT false advertising.

I dont care how good you are with a wand, the wand CANNOT
physically be able to do the work of a rotary wand.
There is a place for every tool. I am not saying the wand is useless But I am stating that the powerwand was not a bastard tool, if thats the case then put the 360i, Hoss 700 and Mytee Rex, and Hydramasters RX in the same category
 
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Rob, that's definitely a sign that your jets are not aligned properly. You seem like most of the idiots in this business who think they can adjust their jets better than the manufacturer. That carpet is the perfect candidate for the zipper that DOESN'T use cheap bicycle handlebars that I've seen break or a cheap trigger.

Did you take Erik's advice and watch all his videos to learn that tool?

Last weekend I just cleaned a commercial carpet that was the size of a basketball court for 6 straight hours and didn't have 1 streak on my zipper. Guess what I cleaned up? urine and feces from 275 pigs 2 days prior from a FFA show.

Your feedback is not valid for two reasons:
1. You sell the products you give opinions on
2. User error.

Boy, you'd make a good car salesman
You must be a hater,

Rotovac or the zipper are Not Cheap tools

rotovac does NOT have bicycle handles

Rotovac is not an exact copy to the zipper
It has a different design and I am glad they are different

If you are looking for a more solid built tool with weight
then go with zipper it is more expensive but then again your
getting a heavier tool

if you have a weight issue and need a lighter tool and with a lower cost go with the bonzer

cant go wrong

if youre looking for spinning action go with the zipper


Very simple, PUT DOWNS ARE NOT NECESSARY!

Buy the dang tool or let people buy them.
 
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Yes the Bonzer dried much faster as usual. I did remove the extensions and put some slightly larger flow jets in its place awhile back. The Bonzer might not be built as well as the Zip but it still is durable, drys faster, lighter in weight, less fatiguing and imo/tests cleans better.
I agree,
BUT

Rotovac is well built, it just not heavy as in heavy duty built or weight wise heavy. that will effect the cost
 

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I have a Mach 15 with 4 number 2 jets. The newer Mach 15 has five jets and one manifold. Best wand on the market. Best priced titanium wand also. No company makes a higher quality wand.
I love mine as well they absolutely Rock p