- Mar 2, 2017
- Real Name
- larry snyder
What engine came with it Tom?I have a 575 with over 5000 hours. Original motor, blower, pump and seals, belts on blower and pump. Pretty much trouble free. Also have a boxxer 421 with 4000 hours. Good also. Original Vanguard 21hp, blower, pump I have reseald two times, and a couple pump belts. Cleaned heat exchangers once on each truckmount. All in all, great machines. Produce a ton of heat especially the 575.
What made you switch from a butler to the xdrive and what do you like more about it and what do you like less?
Very interesting for sure. One of the reasons I love the butlers is the 10 year warranty which there isn't another one like it in the industry. That alone seems to be a driving force for my decisions. I also love the backwards compatibility of their parts and how easy everything is to work on, most things are just a qd fitting to take apart. Was the butler new when you bought it ? I'm always skeptical of buying new technology and being the guinea pig on things...I certainly hope this works out awesome for you.Ill preface my comments with saying, the Butler was manufactured in 2004 and was definately approaching the end of its useful life. We were pouring tons of cash into it every month to keep it going and we were concerned about what was next. Upgrading was forced upon us.
We were sold on this unit by the guys at Hydramaster and sales reps at one of our suppliers. Their confidence behind their new electric motor direct drive tech made me want to dig deeper.
Things I like:
-Its quiet. Much more so than what we are used to.
-Its efficient. Our fuel costs have gone down 20%. Some of this is just the smaller engine. Our butler was in a 3500 Savannah. Regarless we have seen huge margin improvements since we got the new unit.
- The heat and vacuum are both exceptional. We regularly run two wand setups, and have long hose runs at commercial jobs that approach 500 feet. We experience excellent performance under these conditions
-Custom organizational components to fit our businesses needs. We have tons of space for shelving and the transit is designed for the service professional. There are so many options available it was hard to choose.
-Low mantenance (to be determined). It's too early to speak too much on this subject, but all the issues I ever had with the Butler revolved around the driveshaft, bearings etc. Its a direct drive system, but there is no drive shaft!
Things I dont Like:
- Someone mentioned truckmount install availability, well there aren't many people in the country who are familiar with this technology yet, so trained tecnicians are scarse. Delivery times are long, and this is part of the reason. Another part of it is Ford has a massive component factory including a titanium forge burn to the ground screwing up their supply chain. There isn't going to be many companies willing and able to work on this thing either should something go wrong. I would be sure to do your homework an accept the fact that YOU are the expert if you purchase this thing.
- The solution jug for the chemical injection system mounted on the front of the control panel is very small. Usually this would be 5 gallons, on the xdrive its 2 1/2. This becomes annoying on large jobs.
- The location of the APO port is in a bad location. Its very tight there against the door and running a hose out of the trap door from the port can kink the hose. This will absolutely damage your APO and is a constant thing im checking on. I cant imagine why it was put where it is.
Overall, this new system was a huge win for my company. Impressive machine coming in at a 70K price tag out the door including extras and shelving etc.
Dual wands in residential is very rare, and usually its two furniture tools running at once, not carpet. Commercial tho is a differnt story.Very interesting for sure. One of the reasons I love the butlers is the 10 year warranty which there isn't another one like it in the industry. That alone seems to be a driving force for my decisions. I also love the backwards compatibility of their parts and how easy everything is to work on, most things are just a qd fitting to take apart. Was the butler new when you bought it ? I'm always skeptical of buying new technology and being the guinea pig on things...I certainly hope this works out awesome for you.
Did you ever dual wand with the butler? Are you dual wanding in Residential or strictly commercial? I've always wondered in residential how guys do it with keeping both tools to the ground at all times.
My 575 is the earlier one from 2011 It has the Daihatsu DM 950. Which has been a great motor. Change oil and filter, full synthetic every 150 hours. Air filter every 1000. Changed the plugs a couple times and changed the fan belt. Also flushed out the antifreeze.
Ive never had a cooling issue with my cds, motor temp always stays where it should. Bigger truckmount will burn .75 to 1 gallon an hour id say the cds is comparableRunning a small block Chevy on a CDS what do you expect ?
Guys had posts about needing to leave the hood open to cool or it burnt things up . Gas consumption not low .
Reliable for sure is the best part .
That machine is FrEaKiNg Awesome!!
The X Drive is truly a engineering Wonder. This thing will compete and smoke the competition without any trouble.Dual wands in residential is very rare, and usually its two furniture tools running at once, not carpet. Commercial tho is a differnt story.
The x drive hasnt had any issues yet, but I can tell you its going to be a breeze to work on and maintain. All componenets are easily accessible behind the front panel. My warranty is half that of Butler's but thats a non issue for us as we will be replacing this unit in five years. Neither warranty is worth a whole lot to me i personally because taking a truck thing to Butler in MA or finding a tech who even knows how to work on xdrive isn't very reasonable for me.
Butler was fine, im not gonna crap all over them even though i have my concerns. I started there when I went to look at new truckmounts. I am currently rebuilding my old unit to use as a back-up/night job unit.