Nautilus MX500HM vs US PRODUCTS PEX500?

[GregAllen]

This post seeks the insight from those who know both of these machines, and can provide solid advice from your experience and knowledge (preferably not from those who aren't sure but "think" such and so -- no offense). I really need solid insight here. Which would be a better extractor, based on the following specs:


PEX500: Dual Vacs, 3-stage 5.7, in series... 200" Lift.. CFM: Not given in manual

Nautilus: Dual Vacs 2-stage, in parallel... 81.8" Lift... CFM: 194 (when in parallel), 131" Lift & 97 CFM respectively when in series


I appreciate your thoughts opinions based your experience and expertise. Thanks!

 

[goomer]

Is there a reason that these machines are the only 2 options?

 

[brianedwards25]

Just a question are those the stats for the "nautilus extreme" with dual 8.4 2 stage vacs? They seem low so probably not but if you are considering nautilus I would give serious consideration to the extreme version of the nautilus where you can run some long hose length no problem. Just my 2 cents. Hope you get a great extractor!

 

[StevenB.]

I don't think any porty matches up well against the Nautilus if you can live with the size and weight. In some cases it's an advantage, in others it's a pain in the ass. Especially for solo guys and crews with space concerns in the van. Yeah its easy to load with a ramp...You'll be needing one of those. and make room for it as well. The easy access to the wires,fans,vac motors, pumps and hoses is unparalleled in my mind when you add the ability to switch from Parallel to Series on the fly.

 

[StevenB.]

Just a question are those the stats for the "nautilus extreme" with dual 8.4 2 stage vacs? They seem low so probably not but if you are considering nautilus I would give serious consideration to the extreme version of the nautilus where you can run some long hose length no problem. Just my 2 cents. Hope you get a great extractor!

The nautilus comes with a lot of variations so I suspect that isn't with the 8.4's.

 

[Gregory Allen]

Just a question are those the stats for the "nautilus extreme" with dual 8.4 2 stage vacs? They seem low so probably not but if you are considering nautilus I would give serious consideration to the extreme version of the nautilus where you can run some long hose length no problem. Just my 2 cents. Hope you get a great extractor!

MX500HM

 

[CCWorks]

PEX500: Dual Vacs, 3-stage 5.7, in series... 200" Lift.. CFM: Not given in manual

https://www.usproducts.com/~/media/8-14USProducts/L3364USP PEX 500 CFS.ashx

Nautilus: Dual Vacs 2-stage, in parallel... 81.8" Lift... CFM: 194 (when in parallel), 131" Lift & 97 CFM respectively when in series

http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?item_num=MX500HM




Looks to be the PEX is best, has higher heat, more lift, less weight.

In the page I posted, It tells you that the PEX is a low moisture system, what ever that is saying.

I have the evolution wand that comes with it, I use a pump @ 500 psi and is rated at 1.50 gpm - gallons per minute.. Even with pre spray, warm water @ 110 degrees, I can not get carpet clean using the 13" evolution wand. I think the glide on the wand does not have a scrubbing edge.

Now if you use a brush after a pre spray, you can get the top of fibers clean looking.

I think the Nautilus is also a low flow system.
No data on water flow.

 

[Gregory Allen]

PEX500: Dual Vacs, 3-stage 5.7, in series... 200" Lift.. CFM: Not given in manual

https://www.usproducts.com/~/media/8-14USProducts/L3364USP PEX 500 CFS.ashx

Nautilus: Dual Vacs 2-stage, in parallel... 81.8" Lift... CFM: 194 (when in parallel), 131" Lift & 97 CFM respectively when in series

http://interlinksupply.com/index.php?item_num=MX500HM




Looks to be the PEX is best, has higher heat, more lift, less weight.

In the page I posted, It tells you that the PEX is a low moisture system, what ever that is saying.

I have the evolution wand that comes with it, I use a pump @ 500 psi and is rated at 1.50 gpm - gallons per minute.. Even with pre spray, warm water @ 110 degrees, I can not get carpet clean using the 13" evolution wand. I think the glide on the wand does not have a scrubbing edge.

Now if you use a brush after a pre spray, you can get the top of fibers clean looking.

I think the Nautilus is also a low flow system.
No data on water flow.

I currently use the PEX500 and get good results with quality presprays and agitation. The PEX is going in for repair and I will be putting the Nautilus into service during this time. I have the Nautilus as a back up (bought it 6 months ago but haven't used it). This is why I want opinions from those who have actually used both machines. I see the ratings and can compare for myself based on specs. I'm looking for first hand experience with both machines.

 

[CCWorks]

I currently use the PEX500 and get good results with quality presprays and agitation. The PEX is going in for repair and I will be putting the Nautilus into service during this time. I have the Nautilus as a back up (bought it 6 months ago but haven't used it). This is why I want opinions from those who have actually used both machines. I see the ratings and can compare for myself based on specs. I'm looking for first hand experience with both machines.

lol...

Well, you have both machines, that is very very rare as a small cleaning business...Both are about 2 year out on the market and they have the highest cost of most other portables.

So what happened to the PEX?
Tell us why you can not fix it your self. I can replace parts all day long, but when a circuit board goes, I would be lost at fixing that my self.
What is the cost to fix the PEX, local shop or send it in?

 

[Kingdomcome84]

I would get an extractor that has a CAT pump. neither both of your choices do and have piston pumps that drops PSI when bearings and seals wear overtime and cant hold 500psi not as consistent as a CAT pump. 1yr from your purchase date, your choices would drop to 450psi MAX and will slowly decline in psi

The difference is like day and night. Its like buying a DVD player in todays age when you can buy Blu-ray player. Nothing wrong with buying DVD's but its just outdated to do

 

[GregAllen]

lol...

Well, you have both machines, that is very very rare as a small cleaning business...Both are about 2 year out on the market and they have the highest cost of most other portables.

So what happened to the PEX?
Tell us why you can not fix it your self. I can replace parts all day long, but when a circuit board goes, I would be lost at fixing that my self.
What is the cost to fix the PEX, local shop or send it in?

The heater works only intermittently and, most recently, the rocker switch is stuck in one direction. It is under warranty, so I took it into my local Interlink store for repair. Also, I'm not very mechanically inclined so I defer to the experts for repairs.

I have both --- very long story, but I am glad I do, so that I have a back up in these situations. Used to have a truck mount when I was in California, and will return to a truck mount in probably a year. For now we are bankrolling solid revenue with my portable, and all my equipment is paid for. Though the results aren't quite equal to a truck mount, I get very good results overall. And... my profits are sky high compared to when I had a truck mount, the payments, and cost for repairs when it needed it.

 

[GregAllen]

I would get an extractor that has a CAT pump. neither both of your choices do and have piston pumps that drops PSI when bearings and seals wear overtime and cant hold 500psi not as consistent as a CAT pump. 1yr from your purchase date, your choices would drop to 450psi MAX and will slowly decline in psi

The difference is like day and night. Its like buying a DVD player in todays age when you can buy Blu-ray player. Nothing wrong with buying DVD's but its just outdated to do

Not an option right now.

 

[Kipp]

Am I reading this correctly? You want advice from people who have used these two specific machines ... Only to find out you already own both of them and are probably the only guy on the forum who does...

 

[GregAllen]

Am I reading this correctly? You want advice from people who have used these two specific machines ... Only to find out you already own both of them and are probably the only guy on the forum who does...

Allow me to clarify: I own them both but have only used ONE (the PEX). I am just one guy looking for additional insights - not sarcasm. I cannot test them side by side due to power constraints -- So I cannot get a good side by side comparison. I am in the process of deciding which one to use as my standard daily unit, with the other as the back up unit. Input from others who have used them both (not necessarily OWN them both at the same time) is what I am seeking.

To all others who might reply to my post: Please only reply if you have personal experience with these machines. I don't want to be wasting time reading sarcasm or other side-bar comments. Let's keep it on task and on the subject of this post. Thanks.

 

[CCWorks]

I have both --- very long story, but I am glad I do, so that I have a back up in these situations. Used to have a truck mount when I was in California, and will return to a truck mount in probably a year. For now we are bankrolling solid revenue with my portable, and all my equipment is paid for. Though the results aren't quite equal to a truck mount, I get very good results overall. And... my profits are sky high compared to when I had a truck mount, the payments, and cost for repairs when it needed it.

I agree, a back up is a part of your main system. Always have a back up or die trying


Warranties are nice to have.

 

[OldCarpetVet]

Am I reading this correctly? You want advice from people who have used these two specific machines ... Only to find out you already own both of them and are probably the only guy on the forum who does...

Kipp....You took the words right out of my mouth. After reading that, I was scratching my head thinking...WTF! Am I reading this right.

Greg Allen. If I owned both of these machines, I would know EXACTLY and PRECISELY what each was capable of and would have no need for others opinions of either machine. Am I missing something here?????

I don't mean to sound disrespectful mind you, but this is a first for me.

 

[GregAllen]

Kipp....You took the words right out of my mouth. After reading that, I was scratching my head thinking...WTF! Am I reading this right.

Greg Allen. If I owned both of these machines, I would know EXACTLY and PRECISELY what each was capable of and would have no need for others opinions of either machine. Am I missing something here?????

I don't mean to sound disrespectful mind you, but this is a first for me.

Let me help all of you doubters, detractors, and opinion-givers out: I repeat: I have never used the Nautilus, but bought it gently used 6 months ago. Due to the weight for this one-man show at the time, I bought a PEX500 from my Interlink store (30 pounds lighter). Now (follow this) I have two machines, and am looking for experienced comparisons from those who are willing to contribute value to the conversation and not critique the post.

Back to the machines: The specs comparisons are not apples to apples. One provides CFM info, the other does not. Some people say lift is more important than CFM and some say the opposite. Although the PEX has greater lift, no spec sheet or detail sheet of any kind shows its CFM, so I can't compare that tiny little detail. One has 2-stage vacs, the other has 3-stage vacs.

Now, while some of you are brilliant in piecing together the details and making engineering-level decisions based on the data you read or from your 30 or 40 years' experience, others need or seek actual insight and experienced views from the older and more experienced guys who have actually been there and done that.

I will ask again... and again... for insights from good, willing, and experienced people who have solid contributions to provide. I will not answer any other questions or comments about why I don't know EXACTLY and PRECISELY what the machines are capable of, or any other such commentary. I am simply asking for help, which is one of the points of this forum. Thank you.

 

[Kipp]

I would literally b1tch slap you right now if you were standing in front of me...

 

[Gregory Allen]

So far two entries from Kipp and they are both negative. Any guesses why so many people have dropped from this forum?

 

[Kingdomcome84]

I would literally b1tch slap you right now if you were standing in front of me...

+1

if I knew you already owned both, I wouldn't of made the comment above, you can use both extractors and make a your decision. there's not a single person on this forum that has used BOTH machines your tryna get help with