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Is Doing Just Water Removal a Good Move?

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I don't really have interest in becoming a floor/fire restoration guy like ServPro. Have good carpet/tile/upoholstery/airduct work…. BUT… Is there much opportunity if I wanted to do JUST the water removal in homes that have had broken water pipes or other cause of indoor flooding? I can break out my CFX for that and just remove the water…. But I don't want to do carpet/pad/tile/wood/mold removal stuff. Am I being too narrow minded, or is there any real opportunity in just removing the water?
 
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If you want to provide emergency water extraction only that is fine as long as the customers know that it needs to be dried out properly but that you do not offer it. I could not imagine going out and doing all the hard work doing the extraction and letting someone else come in and set up some equipment and they get paid more than me. If you are extracting I would suggest something stronger than a CFX
 
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a cfx wtf lol that's what flood pumpers are used for extraction cough up money and spend if not someone else will spend it for you :D
 

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Sucking water will be a total waste of time. A home owner can pay you to remove water than sue you when theirs mold growth. Take a IICRC class for water damage then decide if it is something you would like to get into. Even if you decide not to, the class will still be beneficial to you. There is no money in sucking water. The money is made when you leave the proper number of fans and dehumidifiers in a structure to properly dry it. $20,000 for a used box truck and used truckmount. $10,000 for drying equipment. Or $15,000 for a used van and truckmount,$8000 for drying equipment and $2,000 for an enclosed trailer. If you can pull it off I would recommend doing so. Good luck with everything.
 

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I agree some are going to want treatments, repairs and most of all drying.. If your going to remove the water then have someone come in after your done ..
 

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Here's what I recommend,doing small "dry downs" only. These usually consist of only 1-4 rooms affected. You can opt with cat 1 & 2 clean up only. Refer the sewage ones and get a referral fee from a larger water damage company. Stick with hot water heaters,a/c's and broken pipes best. These losses will keep you in the 1000-20,000 range. Not a bad place to be. And it's easy. ;)

Here is a short list;

1) Extract
2) Tear out floors that won't dry (vinyl)
3) Remove baseboards,drill 1" holes every 6"
4) Rent or buy 12 air movers (approx 3 to each room)
5) Rent or buy 4 dehus (approx 1 per room)
6) Rent or buy moisture meter
7) Spray inject anti-micobial in holes and spray on affected all areas
8) Check on it each day,usually 3 days to dry down
9) Make sure you collect deductible
10) Put all profits towards buying more air movers & dehus
 

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Rob is right on the spot let me tell you though what Rob recommends requires minimum level of knowledge but it requires it any way.
If your intention is to go to the job site and only suck the water collect payment and leave. Here is what I do and I do it safely no risk of a law suit.
I must say that I always prefer to do what Rob recommended cos I don't want to leave easy to make money on the table. being that said,

I respond to the emergency call
I pick up my equipment (dehums, blowers etc) and i head on to the job.
Upon arrival I inspect everything thoroughly and i determine If that is something I can handle.
If i can I do Rob's recommendations more or less
If I can't (this is the important part) I go to the HO and I clearly explain to him/her that the loss is way beyond my capabilities
I let them know that I have sister company that could get there in XXX time and take over for me. In the mean time i could start extracting the water
to prevent more damage in adjacent rooms etc. I tell them my price and I ask for permission to commence.
I let them know that my service is paid by them on the spot and the sister company will probably require a deductible and their charges will be a totally different cow.
I let them know that insurances always honor my services and in the event the do get coverage, They always reimburse for my charges which is true.
If yes i call the "sister" before their eyes introduce the situation and i pass the phone over to the client.

I do what I have to do and wait for the "sister" to arrive. I introduce them and collect check and leave. Sister takes care of me later also they don't give me much but a couple of hundred or a little more does not hurt at all.

If the HO says no I collect $150 (which was discused over the phone ) and leave them with a list of local companies they could call. Ussually large corporations.
rarely happens though.

Once you are there they want the property taken care of ASAP they called you they trusted you and you are being honest and upfront there is no reason why they would not trust your "sister"

all ethical professional and no risk to get sued or get a complaint.
Of course as you know your proceedings and recommendations are totally written and signed. And you did not leave until the "sister" arrived so you let the HO In good expert hands what happens after that is not your problem any more.

To give you an Idea, about a couple of years ago i got a call for a very large WD I got there it was about 30K Ft building to dry. there was no way I could do that with 6 blowers and two dehums lol. I called @tom patnode from Sand Diego to see If he could drive over and help but he was busy. I extracted the water only and I recommended the "sister" about a month later I got a check for 1K from the "sister" not bad for just giving their name and number out.

Good luck you can make it work just find a good "sister" to lean on.
 

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I appreciate the candid feedback and constructive suggestions. This is a forum in which we share best practices and build this industry into an even better one with a rising tide (your constructive feedback) that lifts all ships (everyone else). So to the positive, constructive and helpful responders, thank you.
 
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ROB ALLEN: This list is what More Floods is recommending, as a fairly complete package. Looks like they are recommending more equipment than you did. I like your ideas, not just for the apparent cost savings, but also because I trust your judgment and advice. Please let me know if this appears overkill. They recommend having enough to handle two jobs at one time.

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Carpet Probe F251 Dri-Eaz Hydro Sensor 1 $215 $215
Tramex Professional Moisture Meter (Digital) 1 $419 $419
Air movers: Dri-Eaz F351 16 $365 $5,840
Dri-Eaz 7000 dehumidifiers F412 2 $2,260 $4,520
Dri-Eaz Evolution dehumidifiers 2 $1,849 $3,698
Dri-Eaz DefendAir F284 1 $999 $999
Dri-Eaz DriForce F211 2 $2,110 $4,220
Injectidry (just the machine…no manifolds or hoses) 1 $1,995 $1,995
DriForce InterAir Drying System Accessory Kit 1 $900 $900
Total $22,806
 
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Here's what I recommend,doing small "dry downs" only. These usually consist of only 1-4 rooms affected. You can opt with cat 1 & 2 clean up only. Refer the sewage ones and get a referral fee from a larger water damage company. Stick with hot water heaters,a/c's and broken pipes best. These losses will keep you in the 1000-20,000 range. Not a bad place to be. And it's easy. ;)

Here is a short list;

1) Extract
2) Tear out floors that won't dry (vinyl)
3) Remove baseboards,drill 1" holes every 6"
4) Rent or buy 12 air movers (approx 3 to each room)
5) Rent or buy 4 dehus (approx 1 per room)
6) Rent or buy moisture meter
7) Spray inject anti-micobial in holes and spray on affected all areas
8) Check on it each day,usually 3 days to dry down
9) Make sure you collect deductible
10) Put all profits towards buying more air movers & dehus
Man I wish I could come down and train with you!
 

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ROB ALLEN: This list is what More Floods is recommending, as a fairly complete package. Looks like they are recommending more equipment than you did. I like your ideas, not just for the apparent cost savings, but also because I trust your judgment and advice. Please let me know if this appears overkill. They recommend having enough to handle two jobs at one time.

Equipment # List List Total
Carpet Probe F251 Dri-Eaz Hydro Sensor 1 $215 $215
Tramex Professional Moisture Meter (Digital) 1 $419 $419
Air movers: Dri-Eaz F351 16 $365 $5,840
Dri-Eaz 7000 dehumidifiers F412 2 $2,260 $4,520
Dri-Eaz Evolution dehumidifiers 2 $1,849 $3,698
Dri-Eaz DefendAir F284 1 $999 $999
Dri-Eaz DriForce F211 2 $2,110 $4,220
Injectidry (just the machine…no manifolds or hoses) 1 $1,995 $1,995
DriForce InterAir Drying System Accessory Kit 1 $900 $900
Total $22,806
That's actually a great list Gregory. They are covering hard wood floors with some f that equipment. If you have the resources you can't go wrong with it.
 

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Question regarding equipment comparisons: For air movers, More Floods recommends the Dri-Eaz F351, which retail for $365. Because I would need several to be adequately equipped to handle a couple simultaneous jobs, any harm in going with the less-expensive Omnidry 2.9 amp model, which retails for $179 (qty 10 for this price at Interlink)? It will save me $3,000 when I am looking at 16 pieces. For the other items on their list, I will go with the brands and units they recommend, but this is quite a bit of money to leave on the table if I will be well-served with the Ominidry. What are your suggestions? Also, any other brands of the general equipment, i.e., dehu's, that are recommendable?
 

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Yes. Insurance jobs are the best. High pay with hourly rate. Water extraction is no liability.

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Question regarding equipment comparisons: For air movers, More Floods recommends the Dri-Eaz F351, which retail for $365. Because I would need several to be adequately equipped to handle a couple simultaneous jobs, any harm in going with the less-expensive Omnidry 2.9 amp model, which retails for $179 (qty 10 for this price at Interlink)? It will save me $3,000 when I am looking at 16 pieces. For the other items on their list, I will go with the brands and units they recommend, but this is quite a bit of money to leave on the table if I will be well-served with the Ominidry. What are your suggestions? Also, any other brands of the general equipment, i.e., dehu's, that are recommendable?
I am not 100% on this and it is more my opinion but I think it would be about the same. More Floods may want you to use a certain make and model as part of their marketing program.
 
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ROB ALLEN: This list is what More Floods is recommending, as a fairly complete package. Looks like they are recommending more equipment than you did. I like your ideas, not just for the apparent cost savings, but also because I trust your judgment and advice. Please let me know if this appears overkill. They recommend having enough to handle two jobs at one time.

Equipment # List List Total
Carpet Probe F251 Dri-Eaz Hydro Sensor 1 $215 $215
Tramex Professional Moisture Meter (Digital) 1 $419 $419
Air movers: Dri-Eaz F351 16 $365 $5,840
Dri-Eaz 7000 dehumidifiers F412 2 $2,260 $4,520
Dri-Eaz Evolution dehumidifiers 2 $1,849 $3,698
Dri-Eaz DefendAir F284 1 $999 $999
Dri-Eaz DriForce F211 2 $2,110 $4,220
Injectidry (just the machine…no manifolds or hoses) 1 $1,995 $1,995
DriForce InterAir Drying System Accessory Kit 1 $900 $900
Total $22,806
Way too much equipment for small losses that you are potentially going to go after. Nothing against More Floods but this list is way to comprehensive for what you are looking for.
 

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I have 80 of the OmniDry 2.9 and 3.1's and they work brilliantly for me. I have four axial's that I use every now and then. Not very often though.
 

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A good restoration company for referrals on insured losses and you handle uninsured(rain water) type losses @ $125/hr. w/$250 min. Rent the customer your eqpt. if they will pay for mechanical drying. If they don't want drying and they just want the gross amount of water out. Have them sign a disclaimer which will list your further recommendations for complete remediation. Always prequalify on phone.
 

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This is a very good thread, I have done a number of dry downs for property management companies however never had to bill an insurance company. How does that play out and what kind of documentation do they require?

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