Is a CRB worth the purchase?

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I was looking at the 17" hydroforce with a tank on sale for $2400 and I'm wondering if it would be worth the purchase. We mainly cleaning residential carpet and tile. We have no issues with our current setup.
 

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in a word, YES!

for one thing, it sets you apart from all the other cleaners in your area. Its an extra step but if your not using one now, you can offer it as a up charge option. But if your a premium cleaner, you will end up using it on each and every job.

Too many benefits to using a CRB have been hashed here before. do a search.
 
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Been using a CRB following up with a Bonzer for about 10 years now and we are a referrals only not one dollar on advertising or even any social media. So yes I would say it is definitely worth it if you want long time customers that tell everyone how great you are. Honestly it is a very deep clean that is unmatched for deep soil/hair removal. Now that being said it is a pain to clean the machine after each job and I hate it so I charge a hefty premium.
 

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No, it wont be worth it if your on a tight budget or cannot afford it.
My opinion is that you save for it and pay for it all cash or save up 90% and rest on credit

Manually you can achieve comprable results,
You can also spend $200-$400. on a sebo duo, less hardcore but a good entry affordable machine.
 

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heres a suggestion. Get it, then offer it as an add on service. It will pay for itself quite quickly. Thats what I did with the tall Seal A Door. I got a regular size Seal A Door because I offer a premium service. There are lots of homes that have tall doors which by the way are high end clients,. tall door equals big house. I really didnt want to shell out extra money for the tall Seal A Door, so I bought one and added 10 bucks to the bill every time I used it. It has paid for itself many times over. Do that with the CRB!
 

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heres a suggestion. Get it, then offer it as an add on service. It will pay for itself quite quickly. Thats what I did with the tall Seal A Door. I got a regular size Seal A Door because I offer a premium service. There are lots of homes that have tall doors which by the way are high end clients,. tall door equals big house. I really didnt want to shell out extra money for the tall Seal A Door, so I bought one and added 10 bucks to the bill every time I used it. It has paid for itself many times over. Do that with the CRB!
NOPE!!!

do not spend money hoping that you can use it as an upsell or add on service. Worst advice!

If you practice telling people hey ill clean it for this price but if you pay extra ill clean it better or use a better equipment.,

Focus on always delivering quality service.

Manually you can get good results that are comprable. I am NOT saying that the scrubbing will be superior, All im saying is that there is no shame if you scrub it manually.

A CRB is a very expensive, heavy and bulky equipment. If you are charging good money already then no worries but if youre on a budget dont do it. If you clean large commercial areas then it will make a huge difference in foot coverage, but dont fall for the false assumption that the machine will make everything better.

Ive had multiple crb's and still have 1 last one. But I dont always use it because sometimes its not needed. Its not light, not super heavy but it is bulky and takes up space.
 

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Focus on always delivering quality service. Something we can agree on.

Manually you can get good results that are comprable No way in hell

A CRB is a very expensive, heavy and bulky equipment. A good used HOST machine costs less than $1000. Its lightweight and about the size of a vacuum. Can use different types of brushes for different types of carpet. I will be posting one for sale soon for about $950

but dont fall for the false assumption that the machine will make everything better. Um, it WILL make it better.

All the advantages of using a CRB have been listed on this board before so just do a search. Off the top of my head...

*it makes you different than any other cleaner in your area
*The prespray sits on top of the carpet The CRB not only lifts the nap, it brushes the prespray deeper into the carpet. At this point the soil is suspended. All you need to do now is give it a light rinse.
*Since the soil is thoroughly suspended, you can lower your PSI (I clean at 300 PSI on most jobs) which reduces drying time
*Using a CRB eliminates most pre or post spotting. The CRB is a great spot remover. On nasty spots, I carry a small bottle of 50/50 Citrusolve so when I run across a spot that the CRB cannot remove with the prespray, I hit it with the sprayer and run over it with the CRB which then removes it. Of course you will still need specialty type spotters like ink and rust.
*Spots dont *come back* because they are thoroughly removed in the cleaning even before the wand hits the floor.

I know a high end cleaner in Chicago that uses a CRB on every job. When he found out that his employee did a job without using the CRB he fired him on the spot. That kinda says something.



 

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Again He is asking if its worth to spend money, money that obviously he has to budget.
Is a crb a great too? yeah, does it make a difference? yeah, is it the end of the world or he only and absolutely a must? NO, must you use a crb all of the time? No, can a good grooming brush be used all of the time? Yes, will the brush be the only solution? No, You get the point, CRB's are great but ive run into issue where there was no power and no way for me to use a crb, did the job come out awesome? Yeah! could it have been better if crb was used? Who knows, Ive met tons of guys who feel crbs are too expensive and yeah even at $900, its still a lot of money,
Kuddos to you for having money, but not everyone is at your or perhaps at my financial level.

$900. bucks for folks who do little business or are beginning is a lot of money, Plus what are you talking about
the Host crb is NOT a light tool either. its also bulky especially with the trolley.

Youll hate yourself for spending money on a machine that dont have many trashed carpets,

Now if you ask me if you should have one if all you do is deal with trashed carpets, then that changes my answer.
 

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No CRBS will not eliminate wicking or reappearing spots, the machine does agitation at a faster rate than a human without fatigue, But like I said Ive seen some guys only use a scrub groomer brush and So have I, I still use the brush a lot,

the crb wont push the pre spray down, thats gravity doing its job, but a crb will agitate very well.
Im am not putting crbs down, I own multiple kinds of crbs and I still carry and use a nylon grooming/scrub brush
 

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this is kinda like a whats the best prespray topic. Ask ten cleaners and you will get ten different replies.

Thing is, if you want to be a 1 percenter, then you need a CRB. On every job.

If you want to be like everyone else, then you can get one, or not. And use it or not.

there is no right or wrong.
 
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Doesn't matter if your HWE or VLM

A CRB is a must have for Residential Carpet Cleaning



I'm VLM and use a CRB on every Residential job before I extract with a OP

When I was HWE I would use a CRB on every Residential job before I extracted with a wand



That Brush Master Pro 35 (14'' Brush) is the best CRB made and Worth every penny I paid for it

Dirt and stains don't have a chance against that beast

I have 4 CRB
2 - 10''
1 - 14''
1 - 15''



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good example was todays job. I know they have a black dog so to prove a point, I vacuumed with my ProTeam vacuum, presprayed and then used a CRB on it. Look how much more dog hair I got out. Its just a more thorough cleaning. Used a Brush Pro 17. You could have NEVER got out that much more hair just by using a wand.

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good example was todays job. I know they have a black dog so to prove a point, I vacuumed with my ProTeam vacuum, presprayed and then used a CRB on it. Look how much more dog hair I got out. Its just a more thorough cleaning. Used a Brush Pro 17. You could have NEVER got out that much more hair just by using a wand.

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A more thorough Cleaning EXACTY !!!

A CRB digs out all the dog hair and crap your vacuum misses


I can't imagine deodorizing Residential Carpet without a CRB to work it in


A CRB grooms Residential Carpet better than any rake or brush, and opens up carpet fibers for faster drying

I usually use the heavier 14' CRB to scrub in my encap and the 10'' CRB to groom


A CRB is a must have for Residential Carpet Cleaning !!!
 
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A CRB is a must have for Residential Carpet Cleaning !!!

VLM or HWE



Did that one yesterday with VLM


I did it for Assistance for Seniors. A non profit that helps low income Seniors
I did recommend Steam Cleaning for this job but they wanted me to do it
They said just do the best job you can


Vacuum with Shark Stratos
Scrub Encap in with Brush Master Pro 35 CRB
Extract with Trinity Odyssey and 21'' Cotton Bonnets (Glad Pads)
Groom with 10'' CRB




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If you have a strong TM, good chemicals and heat, why would you need to scrub also?
I have a Titan 575 so I would consider that a strong TM. Chems are TMF so I would consider them good. Heat, no problem.

Thing is you DONT need to scrub. But you will get premier results (that is, better if you do than if you dont) with a CRB. Therefore you can charge premier prices.

Again if you want to be like everyone else, dont.
 

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I was thinking more about this today and had one more thought. I dont think its even been considered in past threads so thought I would put it out there.

I just turned 65 and have been cleaning carpet full time since 1981. I have to say that if I had to swing a wand to get the same results as a CRB my body would be pretty much shot.

I look at it this way. I had a commercial job that was 13.000 sf. I used a wand to clean it (with CRB) for many years. Finally I bought a Zipper wand so instead of using my arms swinging a wand, I was using my legs to basically just walk forward and back. After cleaning the office with a wand, I needed a day to recuperate. After using the Zipper, I felt perfectly fine the next day.

Same with a CRB. After pile lifting with a CRB it usually only takes one quick pass with the wand to clean the carpet.

So if your in this for the long haul, let the machine do the work, not your back and arms.
 

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If you have a strong TM, good chemicals and heat, why would you need to scrub also?

Agitation is just as important as chemical, time, and temperature.

CRB and scrubber is the best way to achieve mechanical agitation,
however not everyone can either 1. afford a crb or a rotary scrubber 2. not everyone can transport one.
either CRB or floor scrubber/buffer arent light on the pocket or space savers, some of us that have space wont complaint, but for those who are professional who stays on smaller jobs or high end well maintained houses or a beginner with little money and vehicle space, a heavy duty grooming brush will have to do.

There is no argument here, its a choice based on your financial and need of the tool.

I know cleaners that dont need the heavy artillery cause they have high end extremely well maintained houses, so a hand rake/groomer will work just fine, but commercial level or high sqft areas, then yes id say you need 1 or even 3 machines daisy'd up. But lets be serious, YOU MUST AGITATE!
 

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I have a Titan 575 so I would consider that a strong TM. Chems are TMF so I would consider them good. Heat, no problem.

Thing is you DONT need to scrub. But you will get premier results (that is, better if you do than if you dont) with a CRB. Therefore you can charge premier prices.

Again if you want to be like everyone else, dont.
You were doing good till
"Thing is you DONT need to scrub" What are you smoking?!? (very contradictive)
Why even say You dont?
agitation will always get better results than none, hell even if there is no heavy traffic, agitation will always leave it cleaner, you might not need aggressive scrubbing but youll need it.