I'm switching methods

rob allen

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For one week,with one truck all set to go. We are putting a Brush Pro crb in a wrapped van and sending a tech out. Want to see what kind of response we get along with results. If we have to follow up with truck mount we will for re-dos. Ballsy but curiosity has got me. I bleed HWE. Let's see if I can bleed VLM. Our procedure will be simple;

Prevac with dust collectors
Pre-spot
Pre-spray w/strong encap
Scrub well w/Brush Pro (blue brushes)
Post vac w/dust collectors

Suggestions appreciated. Wish us well. I will report back my findings afterwards.
 

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I love HWE and I know the cost is higher, but why don't you just seperate them accordingly to do the well kept up carpet with VLM and the rat nasty's and well used carpet HWE? It seems pretty simple to me.

I wouldn't touch the rat nastys with VLM. I don't care what some of these guys with buffers do. You can bring a 175 bonnet with you and make it look better after the HWE, but I'd keep it well organized and seperate.
 

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Rob, how in the world is this coming up today!?
Too weird.

I was just talking to green joe here in town, he does low moisture exclusively, and I was sharing my experience.

I have cleaned a guys carpet I know for a couple years now with HWE as always. He's never been home when I do the cleaning, so last time about 6 months ago I used a crb only! Not a hose brought into the house.
I asked him how it looked the next day and he said "fine".

I just cleaned his house again last week with the tm again. I asked today how it looks and he said "good except the main traffic lane out of my kitchen didn't come out quite as well this time like it did last"

I about fell over....


I'm not sure that I'm cool with making it my only method, but to not recognize it as a powerful and valid one is straight ignorance.
 

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For one week,with one truck all set to go. We are putting a Brush Pro crb in a wrapped van and sending a tech out. Want to see what kind of response we get along with results. If we have to follow up with truck mount we will for re-dos. Ballsy but curiosity has got me. I bleed HWE. Let's see if I can bleed VLM. Our procedure will be simple;

Prevac with dust collectors
Pre-spot
Pre-spray w/strong encap
Scrub well w/Brush Pro (blue brushes)
Post vac w/dust collectors

Suggestions appreciated. Wish us well. I will report back my findings afterwards.
Video? Maybe Pic's?
 

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If HWE were not such a complicated, expensive pain in the ass, we would never consider such unholy trickery as VLM methods. May God forgive you, Rob but my guess is that you might get flung into the Johnny Lightning batch. The good news? It's a fun batch. The bad news? There's no love between sinners and definitely no women (they have their own batches and your punishment is that your batch does not connect to theirs). Bring a lot of booze.
 

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I think the largest obstacle to overcome will be the "dog & pony" show that clients have came to expect w the truck mount. Same truck but little dinky machine. Ha
 

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And don't be surprised if, in the next few years, you see a former customer of yours, wheeling a CRB from one house to the next in her neighborhood, offering free use of her newfound knowledge and base bottom carpet cleaning gizmotron. The complication of HWE has its virtues.
 

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I think there is a big difference in looking clean, and being clean. Lets just all agree that VLM can make a carpet look great, but is it clean? perhaps not...but if the customer is happy and thinks it's clean, isn't that the only thing that really matters?

I've said before I wish I never bought a TM, in fact I only have a couple hours on it. If I had it to do over I would have invested the same money into a high powered portable, an Orbot, and CRB machine.
 

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For one week,with one truck all set to go. We are putting a Brush Pro crb in a wrapped van and sending a tech out. Want to see what kind of response we get along with results. If we have to follow up with truck mount we will for re-dos. Ballsy but curiosity has got me. I bleed HWE. Let's see if I can bleed VLM. Our procedure will be simple;

Prevac with dust collectors
Pre-spot
Pre-spray w/strong encap
Scrub well w/Brush Pro (blue brushes)
Post vac w/dust collectors

Suggestions appreciated. Wish us well. I will report back my findings afterwards.
I've been looking into doing the same thing... Question is what is your pre spotter of choice with this method?
 

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So are you actually doing the dog and pony show for customers or are you sneaking in this change of plan when they are not home?

New customers or current customers?

Are you advertising this method? Or just doing a test, one on one selling?

Those oxyfresh dudes are gonna go bonkers.
 

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For one week,with one truck all set to go. We are putting a Brush Pro crb in a wrapped van and sending a tech out. Want to see what kind of response we get along with results. If we have to follow up with truck mount we will for re-dos. Ballsy but curiosity has got me. I bleed HWE. Let's see if I can bleed VLM. Our procedure will be simple;

Prevac with dust collectors
Pre-spot
Pre-spray w/strong encap
Scrub well w/Brush Pro (blue brushes)
Post vac w/dust collectors

Suggestions appreciated. Wish us well. I will report back my findings afterwards.
My only suggestion would be to stick with it. Don't chicken out on day 2 when someone isn't sold on the method or when you come across a nasty. Stick with it for a full week, for better or worse, and then come back and tell us how it went.
 

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I think there is a big difference in looking clean, and being clean. Lets just all agree that VLM can make a carpet look great, but is it clean? perhaps not...but if the customer is happy and thinks it's clean, isn't that the only thing that really matters?

I've said before I wish I never bought a TM, in fact I only have a couple hours on it. If I had it to do over I would have invested the same money into a high powered portable, an Orbot, and CRB machine.
3 machines to 1
 

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30 years of TM only cleaning. I've never had unacceptable results using my TM. I think using VLM cleaning processes only provides you with excuses to give the customer as to why their carpet is clean but not really, really clean. "You want it dry, right?" Never had any use for it. Remember Chem Dry how in the early days they warned every one about HWE. Now they use it and sell you on their HWE cleaning process using carbonated water.
I'm sure VLM has it's place but not for me.
 
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We shall see. We shall see.

 

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I think the largest obstacle to overcome will be the "dog & pony" show that clients have came to expect w the truck mount. Same truck but little dinky machine. Ha
Rob, you've been in this business long enough to know the answer to your question before you ask it. Your main cleaning method is HWE.