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I am adding the rest of the world in. That gives a more accurate time pic as this started in China in Oct/Nov of 2019.

Dunno.

Right now numbers do not align with the response.

Also you do know I assume that once quarantine lifts we restart the cycle and get a second spike.

what is the exit plan???

They say we are at war, but what does victory look like???


The folks quarantining us have no answers for those questions.
That scares the shit out of me as every leader/General can answer those 2 questions when asked.
Its politicians that can not.

this has become political in my opinion.

We need to reach herd immunity ASAP. This quarantine is stopping that.

Kids are not getting the virus and gaining immunity now.

The cure is starting to look more and more like the problem.
For the record, I am a huge supporter of herd immunity. But not, unfortunately, at the onset of the pandemic.

I don't think anyone expects the quarantine to prevent the spread of the virus.

I think it's been put into play to simply SLOW the spread, fan it out a bit, so critical cases can be dealt with at a rate that won't force doctors to pick and choose who gets care based on limited supplies.

I fully believe, as a student of this particular science, that virtually everyone on the planet will contract COVID-19 at some point in the course of the next few years. All we can do is try to stretch that time out to give us breathing room to care for the percentage that will need critical support.
 
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@rob allen. Read this close. This is our cue this is our geopolitical cue. Fire it up. We got the cash........market share is ours for the pickin.


Holy cow this is Huge.....

Big Backtrack. Why is this NOT getting coverage here in the US

Click the links for more.

This is the exact study many of our state health department heads are quoting for their decision making.

Now he says ................OOPS!....................OOOPS!



There are two main organizations behind the global coronavirus panic.
** One was World Health Organization’s Director General, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who claimed in a press conference in early March that the fatality rate for the coronavirus was many multiples that of the fatality rate of the common flu. Ghebreyesus claimed the coronavirus had a 3.4% mortality rate and incorrectly compared this inaccurate number to the annual estimated flu mortality rate of 0.1%.
** And the second organization was the Imperial College study from London that claimed half a million Brits would die in the pandemic and 2 million Americans would perish from COVID-19.

They were both wrong.

And on Thursday Neil Ferguson, who was behind the Imperial College coronavirus study, backtracked and now says 20,000 Brits may die from the coronavirus and half of those would have died by the end of the year anyway.

The estimated average of flu deaths each year in the UK is 29,000.
So the experts are now expecting less deaths than the flu!

This is quite a swing from the original study that set off a global panic.
So when will these jerks get sued?


Alex Berenson tweeted out this thread:

1/ This is a remarkable turn from Neil Ferguson, who led the @imperialcollege authors who warned of 500,000 UK deaths – and who has now himself tested positive for #COVID; https://www.newscientist.com/articl...e-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/
2/ He now says both that the U.K. should have enough ICU beds and that the coronavirus will probably kill under 20,000 people in the U.K. – more than 1/2 of whom would have died by the end of the year in any case bc they were so old and sick.
3/ Essentially, what has happened is that estimates of the viruses transmissibility have increased – which implies that many more people have already gotten it than we realize – which in turn implies it is less dangerous.
4/ Ferguson now predicts that the epidemic in the U.K. will peak and subside within “two to three weeks” – last week’s paper said 18+ months of quarantine would be necessary. https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196477/j-ideas-neil-ferguson-tells-mps-lockdown/
5/ One last point here: Ferguson gives the lockdown credit, which is *interesting* – the UK only began ita lockdown 2 days ago, and the theory is that lockdowns take 2 weeks or more to work.
6/ Not surprisingly, this testimony has received no attention in the US – I found it only in UK papers. Team Apocalypse is not interested.
 
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For the record, I am a huge supporter of herd immunity. But not, unfortunately, at the onset of the pandemic.

I don't think anyone expects the quarantine to prevent the spread of the virus.

I think it's been put into play to simply SLOW the spread, fan it out a bit, so critical cases can be dealt with at a rate that won't force doctors to pick and choose who gets care based on limited supplies.

I fully believe, as a student of this particular science, that virtually everyone on the planet will contract COVID-19 at some point in the course of the next few years. All we can do is try to stretch that time out to give us breathing room to care for the percentage that will need critical support.
I agree with all of this...........Not the slow part, the initial intentions were good, just not enough data...........read my post above. The input data was bad, is bad. They need to reevaluate and adjust in the next week or two.

The evidence is starting to pile up.
These state and near nationwide quranteen of all people no longer makes sense.

Yes for hot spots like new york city and LA.
Yes for those over 70.

For the rest of us. It makes no sense as we will not overwhelm the hospital statistically.


Time for life to go on.
Let nature do its thing and allow our population to reach herd immunity. The virus Starts Burning out quickly and naturally slowing after mid 20% of us get immunity and the RO drops below 1......... Somewhere around generation 20-25 of the virus without quarantine. With, who knows. Another gamble to slowinging herd immunity. Mutation

Anti viral test started in Colorado and UK this week in mass. Once complete in a week or two, there will be little doubt in the overreaction.
 
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Some hard real numbers to put things in perspective.

Thoughts?????

The numbers are from the CDC as of March 20th.

Notice more people have died this year of Flue in America than have died in the Entire world of Corona when you add the US and global coronavirus deaths.

Are there pockets and hot spots and should those be quarantined. Yup. But that is all.


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In states like yours what they are doing is preventative, so that you don't end up like us or NY... our population is much greater but also so are our resources and hospital capacity.

In general though states with much lower density have much less risk...

Imagine NYC, where so many live in tiny apartments having to pass each other in small hallways.... only places to get groceries are small markets
 

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Dude you take pics like an old lady

Nice shower stall. I guess having babies is making you grow? You gonna be a regular fatty like me?
Haha ya small bathroom that's me pressed against the wall trying to get a pic.

Dad bod? Never lol only my gains grow not my gut. It's a battle but I can't fall victim or I'll end up with closed toe sandals and pasty ham hock calves
 
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In states like yours what they are doing is preventative, so that you don't end up like us or NY... our population is much greater but also so are our resources and hospital capacity.

In general though states with much lower density have much less risk...

Imagine NYC, where so many live in tiny apartments having to pass each other in small hallways.... only places to get groceries are small markets
Nope, we live very different than folks in New York.

In New York folk ride the subway, busy streets, shared cabs hundreds of common touch points shared amongst millions..... In ohio we drive our own cars to work, few common touchpoints. Our largest city barely gets to a million with suburbs added on.

Fecal oral transfer is primary means of getting this
 

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It's so contagious even if you're careful you make one false move and rub your nose or get sneezed on and you will bring it home.
So as flu
Do you think it is just as bad as flu? We only have about 5 months of information on covid19, so far around the globe in this period of time over 500 thousand got infected, my estimate it will triple in a year period of time and that will be around 1.5 million, estimated there are 500 million people around the world who will be infected to flu. 1.5 vs 500, another thing we know is that about 650 thousand people will die from flu each year. Covid19 killed 25k so far in 5 months of period. My estimate that this number will tripply, so here again 75k vs 650k. which kills more and which is more contagious? The answer is the flu, so how did we live for the last 100 years when we had flu around us?
 

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Some hard real numbers to put things in perspective.

Thoughts?????

The numbers are from the CDC as of March 20th.

Notice more people have died this year of Flue in America than have died in the Entire world of Corona when you add the US and global coronavirus deaths.

Are there pockets and hot spots and should those be quarantined. Yup. But that is all.


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Exactly agreed 100 percent but don't bother, media already brained washed most of the people around the globe that they are so frightened, they will not be able to tell the difference 650k who dies each year from flu vs 25k covid19, people will not be able to figure out the difference between 650k is larger then 25k, when I brought some facts on social median you know how many people have trashed me and used false language, I stopped now and let them keep worrying, don't give damn any more.
 
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@rob allen. Read this close. This is our cue this is our geopolitical cue. Fire it up. We got the cash........market share is ours for the pickin.


Holy cow this is Huge.....

Big Backtrack. Why is this NOT getting coverage here in the US

Click the links for more.

This is the exact study many of our state health department heads are quoting for their decision making.

Now he says ................OOPS!....................OOOPS!



There are two main organizations behind the global coronavirus panic.
** One was World Health Organization’s Director General, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who claimed in a press conference in early March that the fatality rate for the coronavirus was many multiples that of the fatality rate of the common flu. Ghebreyesus claimed the coronavirus had a 3.4% mortality rate and incorrectly compared this inaccurate number to the annual estimated flu mortality rate of 0.1%.
** And the second organization was the Imperial College study from London that claimed half a million Brits would die in the pandemic and 2 million Americans would perish from COVID-19.

They were both wrong.

And on Thursday Neil Ferguson, who was behind the Imperial College coronavirus study, backtracked and now says 20,000 Brits may die from the coronavirus and half of those would have died by the end of the year anyway.

The estimated average of flu deaths each year in the UK is 29,000.
So the experts are now expecting less deaths than the flu!

This is quite a swing from the original study that set off a global panic.
So when will these jerks get sued?


Alex Berenson tweeted out this thread:
This is exactly what I am talking about since the beginning of this virus. They made it a huge deal, messing up our global economy. There may be lots of people who will be without jobs who will lose their homes, businesses and families.
 

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So as flu
Do you think it is just as bad as flu? We only have about 5 months of information on covid19, so far around the globe in this period of time over 500 thousand got infected, my estimate it will triple in a year period of time and that will be around 1.5 million, estimated there are 500 million people around the world who will be infected to flu. 1.5 vs 500, another thing we know is that about 650 thousand people will die from flu each year. Covid19 killed 25k so far in 5 months of period. My estimate that this number will tripply, so here again 75k vs 650k. which kills more and which is more contagious? The answer is the flu, so how did we live for the last 100 years when we had flu around us?
E v o l u t i o n
Problem is. The viruses evolution is right on our heels evolving also.
 

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So I cleaned my last job till this Corona mess gets sorted out hopefully. Cleaned the carpets at a yacht club account I havetoday . It was due for the second in a row Cimex followed by padcap cleaning when I was told they wanted a deep clean flush instead. Here I am HWEing the carpet wondering if it's possible there's some of that COVID19 virus in it and is the steam I'm creating vaporizing it into the air and am I breathing it in?
Who knows but I'm not risking going out anymore on cleaning calls till shite gets under control or we get a handle on the true numbers and risks. I'm getting little to no residential calls and my other commercial stuff can wait a month or so. Hopefully my savings will last long enough till this thing passes hopefully. China really fuked us good....There better be repruccussions.
One thing I can't figure out sitting at home is, why Shanghai and Beijing both have less than 500 people infected sitting so close to Wuhan. All hell is going to brake lose in the next 2 to 3 weeks.
 

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One thing I can't figure out sitting at home is, why Shanghai and Beijing both have less than 500 people infected sitting so close to Wuhan. All hell is going to brake lose in the next 2 to 3 weeks.
please stay in your bunker for long time.

We will be servicing your customers,........................ I mean our new customer

Spring cleaning is Official back on!

PS////I am not trying to be an A$$.

I am tying to get you to think. I am not your competitor, but I guarantee you your competitors are thinking just that. I know stanley steemer is. They have doubled their marketing efforts in the last 2 weeks.
 
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You guys are crazy if you’re out there working I’m not going to be doing any cleaning of any kind no janitorial Carpet Cleaning Tile Cleaning power washing going to keep my family and myself safe for as long as it takes I have enough money saved I can last for six months my a$$ is staying home
 

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We all are mostly going to get COVID-19, the thing is you want to get it later vs now. Due to the # of supplies available, and also people are still testing things out. The later you get it the better because by then healthcare workers will know more what to do than they do now. Quarantine will just slow down the process, but it wont prevent it, these viruses are persistent.

Does anyone know if once you get it if you can get it again?
 

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So as flu
Do you think it is just as bad as flu? We only have about 5 months of information on covid19, so far around the globe in this period of time over 500 thousand got infected, my estimate it will triple in a year period of time and that will be around 1.5 million, estimated there are 500 million people around the world who will be infected to flu. 1.5 vs 500, another thing we know is that about 650 thousand people will die from flu each year. Covid19 killed 25k so far in 5 months of period. My estimate that this number will tripply, so here again 75k vs 650k. which kills more and which is more contagious? The answer is the flu, so how did we live for the last 100 years when we had flu around us?
Covid19 is more contagious. We don’t know how deadly it will be on how many will die. That’s in the future.
I am ramping things up here.

Just dropped $4,000 on NEW ads starting on monday to run for the next 30 days. Going to be flooding the facebook and a few others, in addition to massive adwords campaign.

Go against the trends fellas.

I thing this thing is already over.......

Its just gonna take a few more weeks for it to become evident.

Here is just a few snippets of what other Drs who the fear porn media will not give camera time too are saying..........Remember if it bleeds it leads.


Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:



Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology, politician and former chairman of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. In 2009 he called for an inquiry into alleged conflicts of interest surrounding the EU response to the Swine Flu pandemic.


What he says:





Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.

What he says:


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Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences. He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).

He is also the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation. He was chairman at the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine as well as adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.

As a physician, scientist and author he has made contributions to evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, data science and clinical research. In addition, he pioneered the field of meta-research. He has shown that much of the published research does not meet good scientific standards of evidence.

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Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry. He also worked as Associate Dean of the Tel Aviv University Medical School and during the 1980s presented the science-based television show Tatzpit.

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Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy.

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Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association.

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Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist. He is professor of virology, and the director of the Institute of Virology and HIV Research, at Bonn University.

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Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement, Assistance Publique-Hôpitaux de Marseille, conducting a peer-reviewed study on Coronavirus mortality for the government of France under the ‘Investments for the Future’ programme.

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Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center

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Michael T. Osterholm is regents professor and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

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Dr Peter Goetzsche is Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration. He has written several books on corruption in the field of medicine and the power of big pharmaceutical companies.

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while it’s good to get different perspectives you should be more concerned about what the CDC and Dr. Fauci say you should do. The quickest way to blunt the virus is to stay put and I do understand we gotta earn but my family won’t starve if I dial it back/hunker down. A couple weeks to a month for the greater good is nothing. If your state considers what you do essential go right ahead and conduct your business.
 

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I’m gonna get hit with more calls for work than I can get to when this passes anyways.
 

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Covid19 is more contagious. We don’t know how deadly it will be on how many will die. That’s in the future.

while it’s good to get different perspectives you should be more concerned about what the CDC and Dr. Fauci say you should do. The quickest way to blunt the virus is to stay put and I do understand we gotta earn but my family won’t starve if I dial it back/hunker down. A couple weeks to a month for the greater good is nothing. If your state considers what you do essential go right ahead and conduct your business.
I am

Today in the press conference he DR Fauci said it is time to start to loosen the quarantine in some areas....That the rules for New York should NOT be the rules for Nebraska.

He continued the corona will be seasonal, like the flu (no more harmful either)

But for the few hot spots we are seeing now this is all but over.

Their models have been wrong for 3 weeks now the doom never came.

They underestimated how long the virus had already been in the US.

We are nearing natural herd immunity in many parts of the country at this point.

They are Officially backtracking.

Another big event today in England. A certain Dr who authored a certain study at Oxford suddenly back peddled his prediction from doom...too oops just a common cold.

Ill leave those clues for you to go google. Its big real big and the reason Dr Fauci began backing off today. I hope doing some research will help with your fear.

Fear is a terrible place to be making decisions from
Turn off the TV. They are manipulating you. And fear is the easiest way to do it.
 
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So as flu
Do you think it is just as bad as flu? We only have about 5 months of information on covid19, so far around the globe in this period of time over 500 thousand got infected, my estimate it will triple in a year period of time and that will be around 1.5 million, estimated there are 500 million people around the world who will be infected to flu. 1.5 vs 500, another thing we know is that about 650 thousand people will die from flu each year. Covid19 killed 25k so far in 5 months of period. My estimate that this number will tripply, so here again 75k vs 650k. which kills more and which is more contagious? The answer is the flu, so how did we live for the last 100 years when we had flu around us?
. Covid19 from what I can tell is more contagious. There are treatments for the flu. None for this yet as it’s new. Yes the flu has been around a long time and this is new thus we should respect it and listen to the advice of the experts hired by our governments to protect the most vulnerable. That is unless you feel our governments are actually trying to wreck they’re own economies and destabilize they’re own rule?
 

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. Covid19 from what I can tell is more contagious. There are treatments for the flu. None for this yet as it’s new. Yes the flu has been around a long time and this is new thus we should respect it and listen to the advice of the experts hired by our governments to protect the most vulnerable. That is unless you feel our governments are actually trying to wreck they’re own economies and destabilize they’re own rule?
No,

They just passed a bailout for the Banks and too big to fail first then a few scraps for the people and loans to small bizz so that banks now own your bizz.

This bailout was bigger than 07 by many times.
They passed it with applause.
No resistance
In 2007 they had to threaten tanks on the street.
This time freaking applause

People who have been scared and are operating in a state of Fear are easily manipulated
 
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It's more contagious, lives longer on surfaces, we have no vaccine, its causes severe pneumonia leaving permanent damage to lungs even if u survive it.

Many people die of the flu because it's very common to get infected with the flu when your body is shutting down for other reasons. This is normal ebb and flow of life, old people die....

Very few relatively healthy people die from the flu. Covid 19 is killing people who would EASILY fight off a normal flu virus.

When have you ever heard of hospitals being overran with flu patients? Sitting on ventilators? Drs. caring for them now sitting on vent?
 
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