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Mainly during the winter when my hands are so dry and cracked from the weather and beat up from high pH levels. Lanolin in women's breastfeeding cream is the absolute best answer I have found yet. $10 for a tiny tube, but boy does it work.
lol excuse me sir are your fingers lactating

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I am ramping things up here.

Just dropped $4,000 on NEW ads starting on monday to run for the next 30 days. Going to be flooding the facebook and a few others, in addition to massive adwords campaign.

Go against the trends fellas.

I thing this thing is already over.......

Its just gonna take a few more weeks for it to become evident.

Here is just a few snippets of what other Drs who the fear porn media will not give camera time too are saying..........Remember if it bleeds it leads.


Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.
[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.
All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology, politician and former chairman of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe. In 2009 he called for an inquiry into alleged conflicts of interest surrounding the EU response to the Swine Flu pandemic.


What he says:

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.
We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”
That’s missing.



Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University, former Chief Public Health Officer for Manitoba province and Medical Director of the International Centre for Infectious Diseases.

What he says:

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.
[…]
I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.
[…]
In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.
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Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences. He is director of the Stanford Prevention Research Center, and co-director of the Meta-Research Innovation Center at Stanford (METRICS).

He is also the editor-in-chief of the European Journal of Clinical Investigation. He was chairman at the Department of Hygiene and Epidemiology, University of Ioannina School of Medicine as well as adjunct professor at Tufts University School of Medicine.

As a physician, scientist and author he has made contributions to evidence-based medicine, epidemiology, data science and clinical research. In addition, he pioneered the field of meta-research. He has shown that much of the published research does not meet good scientific standards of evidence.

What he says:

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.
The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.
[…]
Could the Covid-19 case fatality rate be that low? No, some say, pointing to the high rate in elderly people. However, even some so-called mild or common-cold-type coronaviruses that have been known for decades can have case fatality rates as high as 8% when they infect elderly people in nursing homes.
[…]
If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average.
– “A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data”, Stat News, 17th March 2020
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Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry. He also worked as Associate Dean of the Tel Aviv University Medical School and during the 1980s presented the science-based television show Tatzpit.

What he says:

Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.
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In every country, more people die from regular flu compared with those who die from the coronavirus.
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…there is a very good example that we all forget: the swine flu in 2009. That was a virus that reached the world from Mexico and until today there is no vaccination against it. But what? At that time there was no Facebook or there maybe was but it was still in its infancy. The coronavirus, in contrast, is a virus with public relations.
Whoever thinks that governments end viruses is wrong.
– Interview in Globes, March 22nd 2020
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Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy.

What he says:

We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years.
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In Italy, one in ten people diagnosed die, according to the findings of the Science publication, that is statistically one of every 1,000 people infected. Each individual case is tragic, but often – similar to the flu season – it affects people who are at the end of their lives.
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If we close the schools, we will prevent the children from quickly becoming immune.
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We should better integrate the scientific facts into the political decisions.
– Interview in St. Galler Tagblatt, 22nd March 2020
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Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association.

What he says:

I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown.
– Interview in General Anzeiger, 18th March 2020
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Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist. He is professor of virology, and the director of the Institute of Virology and HIV Research, at Bonn University.

What he says:

The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous.
[…]
You also have to take into account that the Sars-CoV-2 deaths in Germany were exclusively old people. In Heinsberg, for example, a 78-year-old man with previous illnesses died of heart failure, and that without Sars-2 lung involvement. Since he was infected, he naturally appears in the Covid 19 statistics. But the question is whether he would not have died anyway, even without Sars-2.
– Interview in Frankfurter Allgemeine, 16th March 2020
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Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement, Assistance Publique-Hôpitaux de Marseille, conducting a peer-reviewed study on Coronavirus mortality for the government of France under the ‘Investments for the Future’ programme.

What they say:

The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.
[…]
This study compared the mortality rate of SARS-CoV-2 in OECD countries (1.3%) with the mortality rate of common coronaviruses identified in AP-HM patients (0.8%) from 1 January 2013 to 2 March 2020. Chi-squared test was performed, and the P-value was 0.11 (not significant).
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…it should be noted that systematic studies of other coronaviruses (but not yet for SARS-CoV-2) have found that the percentage of asymptomatic carriers is equal to or even higher than the percentage of symptomatic patients. The same data for SARS-CoV-2 may soon be available, which will further reduce the relative risk associated with this specific pathology.
– “SARS-CoV-2: fear versus data”, International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents, 19th March 2020
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Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center

What he says:

I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order.
– “Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?”, New York Times 20th March 2020
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Michael T. Osterholm is regents professor and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

What he says:

Consider the effect of shutting down offices, schools, transportation systems, restaurants, hotels, stores, theaters, concert halls, sporting events and other venues indefinitely and leaving all of their workers unemployed and on the public dole. The likely result would be not just a depression but a complete economic breakdown, with countless permanently lost jobs, long before a vaccine is ready or natural immunity takes hold.
[…]
[T]he best alternative will probably entail letting those at low risk for serious disease continue to work, keep business and manufacturing operating, and “run” society, while at the same time advising higher-risk individuals to protect themselves through physical distancing and ramping up our health-care capacity as aggressively as possible. With this battle plan, we could gradually build up immunity without destroying the financial structure on which our lives are based.
– “Facing covid-19 reality: A national lockdown is no cure”, Washington Post 21st March 2020
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Dr Peter Goetzsche is Professor of Clinical Research Design and Analysis at the University of Copenhagen and founder of the Cochrane Medical Collaboration. He has written several books on corruption in the field of medicine and the power of big pharmaceutical companies.

What he says:

Our main problem is that no one will ever get in trouble for measures that are too draconian. They will only get in trouble if they do too little. So, our politicians and those working with public health do much more than they should do.
No such draconian measures were applied during the 2009 influenza pandemic, and they obviously cannot be applied every winter, which is all year round, as it is always winter somewhere. We cannot close down the whole world permanently.
Should it turn out that the epidemic wanes before long, there will be a queue of people wanting to take credit for this. And we can be damned sure draconian measures will be applied again next time. But remember the joke about tigers. “Why do you blow the horn?” “To keep the tigers away.” “But there are no tigers here.” “There you see!”
– “Corona: an epidemic of mass panic”, blog post on Deadly Medicines 21st March 2020
 
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Specialists of all types are voicing their opinions right now, and many of them are going to disagree with one another. Keep in mind that, for all the science and history we can study, this is still uncharted territory for us as a society.

Other pandemics weren't influenced by social media, the instant sharing of "information" both true and false, and the ability to start a total and utter PANIC by posting something like "I'm gonna stock up on tee-pee".

We are a nation (dare I say, a world) dependent on being spoon-fed what we want to hear, coupled with a DEMAND for instant gratification. As a species, we have become more reactive and less proactive. This is having a tremendous impact on what the virus does to us from a social standpoint as well as a physical one.

Someone in this industry for whom I have a great deal of respect put forth an opinion when all of this started; that opinion being, when the number of sick people reached about 400,000 the social system in the US would start breaking down.

He was frighteningly accurate.

And his "prediction" (my word for it, not his) for the total number of deaths in the US is between 20-25k by the time this is over.

Considering how well he pegged the first guess (and what he does for a living), I am willing to have faith in his numbers.
 

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25,000 deaths shouldn't create a panic. I've given up on trying to understand this anymore. I'm grateful in some ways I'm working outdoors the past two weeks but at the same time the psycho-social-econimical damage this will cause is more alarming than the virus
 
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Specialists of all types are voicing their opinions right now, and many of them are going to disagree with one another. Keep in mind that, for all the science and history we can study, this is still uncharted territory for us as a society.

Other pandemics weren't influenced by social media, the instant sharing of "information" both true and false, and the ability to start a total and utter PANIC by posting something like "I'm gonna stock up on tee-pee".

We are a nation (dare I say, a world) dependent on being spoon-fed what we want to hear, coupled with a DEMAND for instant gratification. As a species, we have become more reactive and less proactive. This is having a tremendous impact on what the virus does to us from a social standpoint as well as a physical one.

It has become glaringly obvious these "DRS" ar shooting in the dark. There models are failing as the inputs are bad. The inputs were made with political calculation. Sorry gotta call it how I see it.

Someone in this industry for whom I have a great deal of respect put forth an opinion when all of this started; that opinion being, when the number of sick people reached about 400,000 the social system in the US would start breaking down.

He was frighteningly accurate.

And his "prediction" (my word for it, not his) for the total number of deaths in the US is between 20-25k by the time this is over.

Considering how well he pegged the first guess (and what he does for a living), I am willing to have faith in his numbers.
Mama,

big problem is here in Ohio they keep making predictions and set days to them and then it never materialized. We were told by the end of this week our hospitals would be overwhelmed. As of last night we have 1 patient for each of our hospitals here in the state of Ohio that has been admitted for Corona in the last 2 months. 1 patient per hospital is hardly overwhelmed.

Here in Columbus my niece who is an ER Nurse keeps getting sent home as do her coworkers. The hospital is running at 58% capacity since they stopped all other elective surgery.

They will not tell out of those 150 people are over 70 and they will NOT tell us how many of them have healed and gone home. Around the world you typically get better or die within 3=4 weeks Maximum.

The numbers are just NOT adding up. Drs should have an input but NOT be the arbiter of our freedom or our society being open for business. They have tunnel vision. That much is apparent. Plus how can a Dr weigh the societal cost of a lockdown. They are Drs NOT economists, or socialist. To them everything looks like a nail. They can not see the forest for the trees.


ENOUGH
 
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Job sites are all opening back up. I see materials being delivered. I knew people wouldnt sit on their hands for too long. Governors orders pfff we dont take orders.

But you water and sewage loss folks. Get your boots on. It has begun. All the plumbers i know are getting bombed with sewer backups. The culprits... wipes and paper towels lol. Now i called that one social media and radio has been telling people to saw paper towel rolls in half. To make toilet paper smdh. Yall got work coming. Just matter of time before the sht hits the (floor). Its inevitable.
 

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I guess it depends where you live. We have 33000 confirmed positive cases in NY. But we are getting the most tested.
 

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I guess it depends where you live. We have 33000 confirmed positive cases in NY. But we are getting the most tested.
The estimate of the overall infection rate is 10x to 100x of what has actually Tested positive. What we are seeing is the top of the iceberg that is the tested cases. Underneath is a huge number of untested cases who symptoms are non existent to mild and their body just fights it off naturally, leaving them with immunity.

If you use even the low end of 10X and then figure out NY mortality rate so far with Corona,

Its similar to a mild flu season.

Numbers are not adding up.

so using 10x33,000 positive test means at least 330,000 that are positive but not tested. Now divide those 330,000 infected folks ( this is the same formula for figuring out seasonal flu mortality) and it gives you a mortality rate for the Corona virus in NY so far of .01%
Yes that is point 01%. One tenth of one percent of folks who get corona in NY die from it.


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@Mama Fen

Some hard real numbers to put things in perspective.

Thoughts?????

The numbers are from the CDC as of March 20th.

Notice more people have died this year of Flue in America than have died in the Entire world of Corona when you add the US and global coronavirus deaths.

Are there pockets and hot spots and should those be quarantined. Yup. But that is all.


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The estimate of the overall infection rate is 10x to 100x of what has actually Tested positive. What we are seeing is the top of the iceberg that is the tested cases. Underneath is a huge number of untested cases who symptoms are non existent to mild and their body just fights it off naturally, leaving them with immunity.

If you use even the low end of 10X and then figure out NY mortality rate so far with Corona,

Its similar to a mild flu season.

Numbers are not adding up.

so using 10x33,000 positive test means at least 330,000 that are positive but not tested. Now divide those 330,000 infected folks ( this is the same formula for figuring out seasonal flu mortality) and it gives you a mortality rate for the Corona virus in NY so far of .01%
Yes that is point 01%. One tenth of one percent of folks who get corona in NY die from it.


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I agree with what you’re saying I just don’t think you can say right now it can’t happen where you’re at or anywhere else. Unfortunately time will tell and some people can’t afford time. In a way I’m glad it hit my state the hardest first that way we’ll hopefully be the first out of this. And hopefully it doesn’t get as widespread in other areas like here. Most areas are sitting and waiting for the wave. Hopefully it won’t come but you can’t say it won’t.
 

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Some hard real numbers to put things in perspective.

Thoughts?????

The numbers are from the CDC as of March 20th.

Notice more people have died this year of Flue in America than have died in the Entire world of Corona when you add the US and global coronavirus deaths.

Are there pockets and hot spots. Yup. But that is all.

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I believe the difference is TIME.

From October 1st to Feb 1st, flu killed around 1,200 people in the US.

That's 1,200 in 123 days, or just under ten per day.

This Wednesday, in a single day, we had 200 deaths in the US ascribed to COVID-19.

Twenty times the number of flu deaths we would see in the same time frame.

Flu is more deadly, but it is geographically AND chronologically "spread out" more, making its impact on any given area less severe.

Flu (and for that matter, heart disease) is FAR more deadly than what we're dealing with right now. Everyone knows this. But the speed and concentration of the current pandemic is what's concerning.
 

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I believe the difference is TIME.

From October 1st to Feb 1st, flu killed around 1,200 people in the US.

That's 1,200 in 123 days, or just under ten per day.

This Wednesday, in a single day, we had 200 deaths in the US ascribed to COVID-19.

Twenty times the number of flu deaths we would see in the same time frame.

Flu is more deadly, but it is geographically AND chronologically "spread out" more, making its impact on any given area less severe.

Flu (and for that matter, heart disease) is FAR more deadly than what we're dealing with right now. Everyone knows this. But the speed and concentration of the current pandemic is what's concerning.
I am adding the rest of the world in. That gives a more accurate time pic as this started in China in Oct/Nov of 2019.

Dunno.

Right now numbers do not align with the response.

Also you do know I assume that once quarantine lifts we restart the cycle and get a second spike.

what is the exit plan???

They say we are at war, but what does victory look like???


The folks quarantining us have no answers for those questions.
That scares the shit out of me as every leader/General can answer those 2 questions when asked.
Its politicians that can not.

this has become political in my opinion.

We need to reach herd immunity ASAP. This quarantine is stopping that.

Kids are not getting the virus and gaining immunity now.

The cure is starting to look more and more like the problem.