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I have some questions for you vlm guys.

StevenB.

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Most of you know I'm a porty guy and favor a porchmount setup auto pump out and auto fill with 220 psi. or water otter enough psi and 2.2 gpm enough to do tile and grout with a spinner. That's a new thing for me. So is my 10 inch Brushpro CRB.

I've dabbled in vlm cleaning for quite sometime but have been a HWE guy from the beginning. I see them as different tools for different jobs, but I do almost 100% residential. I use a porty so mechanical agitation is required not optional. I use a 13 inch 175 with bonnets,pads and a brush. I also use an oreck orbiter that doesn't play well with my bonnets.

I don't waste a bunch of extra passes with a wand,before I hit the area with various encap products followed by my 175 bonnett,pad or brush or my little orbiter with a red pad or green brush. My job quality is really improved. I love the option of using vlm and hwe together.

That brings me to my questions I've tested and ordered a case of product from Vacaway and Bonnet Pro. I also have two bottles of Releasit that I've haven't tried yet. I've been impressed by both companies. Grease hawg and hot knife have done real well for performance and lack of complaints or call backs.
Question one? I love grease hawg for poly/oly stuff at hotknife for nylons. I've been using Revive it for most carpets lately and the Omegazyme for more difficult jobs. If I were using them as primarily a pre spray CRB and tap water temp HWE, Which would you product would you choose?

Question two? What if I could provide 300 psi 130ish temps during the Hwe?

I've heard one person rave about the bonnetpro bonnets for my little orbiter? Do they stay on the driver plate without bundling and ripping the shit out of my other bonnets? I've have both kinds of the drive plates and unhappy with both of them.

I have a few more questions but will save them until I have a better understanding from the first two

My intended use is different than some of you. I'm moving towards using the CRB on all carpeted jobs. The pile lifting has that wow factor that I can use for demo's. It's also a really good dry compound spotter for dog vomit.:spitoutdummy: Because it's what I used on my own carpet. That was 3 weeks ago spot is still gone.:)

I've been leaving my 175 at home since I started using the CRB. It's hard to justify using them both very often. That leaves a hole in my setup. I don't have the ability to use a bonnet or pad unless I carry my orbiter. Can I find a suitable pad that works with my orbiter? It's just for post hwe as opposed to using it without HWE or tap water temps.

I'm fascinated with my setup now. I went a bit overboard at first using the trays on an off on most jobs just for evaluation purposes. That and taking pics really slowed me down. But my repeat customers love it as well.

I don't want a truckmount, I want to embrace vlm products with my airhog plus and reliable auto dump. It loves a thorough dry soil removal process. A clean filter provides better vac performance. The lightweight, compact CRB is a match made in heaven for my air hog. One because it fit's nicely in my Transit Connect and it's easy to load and unload(y) Two because it minimizes the need to carry "Rosie" my 13 inch 175.(y)

That's all kinds of good in my book. Rosie saved the day yesterday:) I don't get redo's often and pride myself on the way I respond to them. I broke some of my own rules by not doing a proper walkthrough and history when possible. She took what I said to mean two rooms cleaned those rooms could be 300 feet each.:eek: She booked the job through a neighborhood handyman facebook site. We never actually spoke on the phone, it was through fb messenger so she has a copy and I have a copy of our conversations. I show up to the job both rooms were combo size and I'm pretty lenient. She has a 9am appt and asked if check was ok? Otherwise she would leave the check with her brother...I should have paused things there. I got there the check was already written out with a three way conversation. I'll just clean 300 square feet of poly carpet in the empty Family room and around the furniture in the other room 200 square feet in that one and be done with it. It will be worth it for the great review right:cigar:?

I could have asked for for a credit card or hit up her brother but I don't think he had a car. I've been dying to try out my fresh gallon of Omegazyme as a standalone. My go to for non nylon is traffic slam/flex with my 175 or my Orbiter.

I've been way more than pleased with the bonnet pro products. So I'm leaning hard towards operator error on my end but I got a "text call back" from that job two nights later. She wasn't happy with my job:poop: She just thought I should know because I was so highly recommended:( I knew it would be about the pile distortion in the traffic areas adjacent to the kitchen:devil: I skipped the step of explaining that part:oops: like I normally do . Looking at the pics I could see something wasn't right. I texted her back and stated I would gladly reclean it over because I agree the chemistry let me down on her carpet but she owed me 40 more dollars:cautious: Way more than reasonable I thought:D She barked back at me and stated she would have someone else clean it. She also stated in the text she held off giving me a review until she text me first. I was grateful as well. I waited several minutes to respond and gather my thoughts. I decided to just be honest and straightforward. I dropped the ball by not getting a carpet history, she had a wick back that was likely stains hidden under the moderate to heavy soiling in that traffic area. I asked previously if there were any pet issues at the beginning of the conversation. I have an excellent reputation to fall back on. On most jobs like this I make arrangements to have a check sent for the difference. I haven't had a bounced check in several years. I trust others and expect them to trust me. I regained her trust but I used fb messaging to explain to her about that carpet fiber, affinities to oil, fiber damage and light reflection issues etc. etc like I should have done in the beginning.

I was confident I could make it right. I brought Rosie my hawk 13 inch a red pad and a couple of bonnets. I was going to prespot with oxy spotter followed up by my new best friend Grease hawg and a pump up sprayer.

I asked her to vacuum the carpet again prior to my arrival. She had a slightly used Kirby in the kitchen. It was just her brother and I. The carpet didn't look clean enough and I'm felt ashamed when I first saw it.:cry: It wasn't all that bad but it wasn't my brightest moment. I saw maybe 15-20 faint light brown spots that I didn't see before. I asked the brother if he thought they could be pet stains? He said sure, she had a dog. Did the dog pee on the carpet? Most likely...:rolleyes: It didn't smell like urine, it could have likely been sugar residue from a beverage or cleaning residue. I hit it with the Greasehawg and red pad and was happy immediately to see the difference. I followed that up with two cloth bonnets. I was ashamed at the amount of filthy grime I left behind to be honest. I didn't use hot water during the initial cleaning. Instead A thorough vacuuming, with 8 ozs of Omegazyme for 2 gallons of hot water through a pump up sprayer, CRB , then 300 psi outside hose bib 80ish degrees extraction. I probably should have made the omegazyme stronger. Those bonnets removed a remarkable amount of soiling unless something was wrong with my extraction.

It looked awesome when I was done. I ran my CRB with trays post bonnet. The custy is singing my praises now:whistle:. Obviously I could have hooked up my hot turbo and used hot water instead of cold. Was that the issue? Or could it be some products work better with a bonnet than without? The manufacturers will all claim the superior product and rightfully so...but that doesn't mean they are being straight. What products would be more suited or less suited for a crb as opposed to a commercial OP setup?

Normally I would apologize for the long winded post but no we could use shop talk to drown out all the noise.
 

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You keep saying vlm and hwe. If you are using your portable you arnt doing anything low moisture. You are using an encap product for a prespray with some agitation. Sounds like it works. Don't overcomplicate it.
 

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Yes Listen to Smtwn janitorial, don't over complicate it. If you want to use a good encap chem for your pre spray that's fine, just be careful as some of them can be a little on the foamy side so be sure to carry a de-foamer. To much foam with the small waste tanks on portables will drive you crazy. Plus it can be sucked up into your vac motors and blow out the exhaust.
 

kevinj6121

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You keep saying vlm and hwe. If you are using your portable you arnt doing anything low moisture. You are using an encap product for a prespray with some agitation. Sounds like it works. Don't overcomplicate it.
Does the Smtwn stand for smithtown? there is a smithtown in Long Island NY where i used to live
 

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Most of you know I'm a porty guy and favor a porchmount setup auto pump out and auto fill with 220 psi. or water otter enough psi and 2.2 gpm enough to do tile and grout with a spinner. That's a new thing for me. So is my 10 inch Brushpro CRB.

I've dabbled in vlm cleaning for quite sometime but have been a HWE guy from the beginning. I see them as different tools for different jobs, but I do almost 100% residential. I use a porty so mechanical agitation is required not optional. I use a 13 inch 175 with bonnets,pads and a brush. I also use an oreck orbiter that doesn't play well with my bonnets.

I don't waste a bunch of extra passes with a wand,before I hit the area with various encap products followed by my 175 bonnett,pad or brush or my little orbiter with a red pad or green brush. My job quality is really improved. I love the option of using vlm and hwe together.

That brings me to my questions I've tested and ordered a case of product from Vacaway and Bonnet Pro. I also have two bottles of Releasit that I've haven't tried yet. I've been impressed by both companies. Grease hawg and hot knife have done real well for performance and lack of complaints or call backs.
Question one? I love grease hawg for poly/oly stuff at hotknife for nylons. I've been using Revive it for most carpets lately and the Omegazyme for more difficult jobs. If I were using them as primarily a pre spray CRB and tap water temp HWE, Which would you product would you choose?

Question two? What if I could provide 300 psi 130ish temps during the Hwe?

I've heard one person rave about the bonnetpro bonnets for my little orbiter? Do they stay on the driver plate without bundling and ripping the shit out of my other bonnets? I've have both kinds of the drive plates and unhappy with both of them.

I have a few more questions but will save them until I have a better understanding from the first two

My intended use is different than some of you. I'm moving towards using the CRB on all carpeted jobs. The pile lifting has that wow factor that I can use for demo's. It's also a really good dry compound spotter for dog vomit.:spitoutdummy: Because it's what I used on my own carpet. That was 3 weeks ago spot is still gone.:)

I've been leaving my 175 at home since I started using the CRB. It's hard to justify using them both very often. That leaves a hole in my setup. I don't have the ability to use a bonnet or pad unless I carry my orbiter. Can I find a suitable pad that works with my orbiter? It's just for post hwe as opposed to using it without HWE or tap water temps.

I'm fascinated with my setup now. I went a bit overboard at first using the trays on an off on most jobs just for evaluation purposes. That and taking pics really slowed me down. But my repeat customers love it as well.

I don't want a truckmount, I want to embrace vlm products with my airhog plus and reliable auto dump. It loves a thorough dry soil removal process. A clean filter provides better vac performance. The lightweight, compact CRB is a match made in heaven for my air hog. One because it fit's nicely in my Transit Connect and it's easy to load and unload(y) Two because it minimizes the need to carry "Rosie" my 13 inch 175.(y)

That's all kinds of good in my book. Rosie saved the day yesterday:) I don't get redo's often and pride myself on the way I respond to them. I broke some of my own rules by not doing a proper walkthrough and history when possible. She took what I said to mean two rooms cleaned those rooms could be 300 feet each.:eek: She booked the job through a neighborhood handyman facebook site. We never actually spoke on the phone, it was through fb messenger so she has a copy and I have a copy of our conversations. I show up to the job both rooms were combo size and I'm pretty lenient. She has a 9am appt and asked if check was ok? Otherwise she would leave the check with her brother...I should have paused things there. I got there the check was already written out with a three way conversation. I'll just clean 300 square feet of poly carpet in the empty Family room and around the furniture in the other room 200 square feet in that one and be done with it. It will be worth it for the great review right:cigar:?

I could have asked for for a credit card or hit up her brother but I don't think he had a car. I've been dying to try out my fresh gallon of Omegazyme as a standalone. My go to for non nylon is traffic slam/flex with my 175 or my Orbiter.

I've been way more than pleased with the bonnet pro products. So I'm leaning hard towards operator error on my end but I got a "text call back" from that job two nights later. She wasn't happy with my job:poop: She just thought I should know because I was so highly recommended:( I knew it would be about the pile distortion in the traffic areas adjacent to the kitchen:devil: I skipped the step of explaining that part:oops: like I normally do . Looking at the pics I could see something wasn't right. I texted her back and stated I would gladly reclean it over because I agree the chemistry let me down on her carpet but she owed me 40 more dollars:cautious: Way more than reasonable I thought:D She barked back at me and stated she would have someone else clean it. She also stated in the text she held off giving me a review until she text me first. I was grateful as well. I waited several minutes to respond and gather my thoughts. I decided to just be honest and straightforward. I dropped the ball by not getting a carpet history, she had a wick back that was likely stains hidden under the moderate to heavy soiling in that traffic area. I asked previously if there were any pet issues at the beginning of the conversation. I have an excellent reputation to fall back on. On most jobs like this I make arrangements to have a check sent for the difference. I haven't had a bounced check in several years. I trust others and expect them to trust me. I regained her trust but I used fb messaging to explain to her about that carpet fiber, affinities to oil, fiber damage and light reflection issues etc. etc like I should have done in the beginning.

I was confident I could make it right. I brought Rosie my hawk 13 inch a red pad and a couple of bonnets. I was going to prespot with oxy spotter followed up by my new best friend Grease hawg and a pump up sprayer.

I asked her to vacuum the carpet again prior to my arrival. She had a slightly used Kirby in the kitchen. It was just her brother and I. The carpet didn't look clean enough and I'm felt ashamed when I first saw it.:cry: It wasn't all that bad but it wasn't my brightest moment. I saw maybe 15-20 faint light brown spots that I didn't see before. I asked the brother if he thought they could be pet stains? He said sure, she had a dog. Did the dog pee on the carpet? Most likely...:rolleyes: It didn't smell like urine, it could have likely been sugar residue from a beverage or cleaning residue. I hit it with the Greasehawg and red pad and was happy immediately to see the difference. I followed that up with two cloth bonnets. I was ashamed at the amount of filthy grime I left behind to be honest. I didn't use hot water during the initial cleaning. Instead A thorough vacuuming, with 8 ozs of Omegazyme for 2 gallons of hot water through a pump up sprayer, CRB , then 300 psi outside hose bib 80ish degrees extraction. I probably should have made the omegazyme stronger. Those bonnets removed a remarkable amount of soiling unless something was wrong with my extraction.

It looked awesome when I was done. I ran my CRB with trays post bonnet. The custy is singing my praises now:whistle:. Obviously I could have hooked up my hot turbo and used hot water instead of cold. Was that the issue? Or could it be some products work better with a bonnet than without? The manufacturers will all claim the superior product and rightfully so...but that doesn't mean they are being straight. What products would be more suited or less suited for a crb as opposed to a commercial OP setup?

Normally I would apologize for the long winded post but no we could use shop talk to drown out all the noise.

Wow long read. How you work without rosie, I don't understand. leave the HWE at home (not the 175) and add a few more pads. VLM chems laid down, agitate (red pad 175 or CRB), wipe back up with towels and Rosie. When you add the HWE you wet the lower levels of the carpet that may come back up to haunt you---grin. You always know by how clean your last pad is how clean the main surface of the carpet will be. Using a Clean pad after HWE with your 175 will often turn up dirty... Or dry with absorbent pads after hwe. Awesome recovery with that client.
 

Rick Imby

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Most of you know I'm a porty guy and favor a porchmount setup auto pump out and auto fill with 220 psi. or water otter enough psi and 2.2 gpm enough to do tile and grout with a spinner. That's a new thing for me. So is my 10 inch Brushpro CRB.

I've dabbled in vlm cleaning for quite sometime but have been a HWE guy from the beginning. I see them as different tools for different jobs, but I do almost 100% residential. I use a porty so mechanical agitation is required not optional. I use a 13 inch 175 with bonnets,pads and a brush. I also use an oreck orbiter that doesn't play well with my bonnets.

I don't waste a bunch of extra passes with a wand,before I hit the area with various encap products followed by my 175 bonnett,pad or brush or my little orbiter with a red pad or green brush. My job quality is really improved. I love the option of using vlm and hwe together.

That brings me to my questions I've tested and ordered a case of product from Vacaway and Bonnet Pro. I also have two bottles of Releasit that I've haven't tried yet. I've been impressed by both companies. Grease hawg and hot knife have done real well for performance and lack of complaints or call backs.
Question one? I love grease hawg for poly/oly stuff at hotknife for nylons. I've been using Revive it for most carpets lately and the Omegazyme for more difficult jobs. If I were using them as primarily a pre spray CRB and tap water temp HWE, Which would you product would you choose?

Question two? What if I could provide 300 psi 130ish temps during the Hwe?

I've heard one person rave about the bonnetpro bonnets for my little orbiter? Do they stay on the driver plate without bundling and ripping the shit out of my other bonnets? I've have both kinds of the drive plates and unhappy with both of them.

I have a few more questions but will save them until I have a better understanding from the first two

My intended use is different than some of you. I'm moving towards using the CRB on all carpeted jobs. The pile lifting has that wow factor that I can use for demo's. It's also a really good dry compound spotter for dog vomit.:spitoutdummy: Because it's what I used on my own carpet. That was 3 weeks ago spot is still gone.:)

I've been leaving my 175 at home since I started using the CRB. It's hard to justify using them both very often. That leaves a hole in my setup. I don't have the ability to use a bonnet or pad unless I carry my orbiter. Can I find a suitable pad that works with my orbiter? It's just for post hwe as opposed to using it without HWE or tap water temps.

I'm fascinated with my setup now. I went a bit overboard at first using the trays on an off on most jobs just for evaluation purposes. That and taking pics really slowed me down. But my repeat customers love it as well.

I don't want a truckmount, I want to embrace vlm products with my airhog plus and reliable auto dump. It loves a thorough dry soil removal process. A clean filter provides better vac performance. The lightweight, compact CRB is a match made in heaven for my air hog. One because it fit's nicely in my Transit Connect and it's easy to load and unload(y) Two because it minimizes the need to carry "Rosie" my 13 inch 175.(y)

That's all kinds of good in my book. Rosie saved the day yesterday:) I don't get redo's often and pride myself on the way I respond to them. I broke some of my own rules by not doing a proper walkthrough and history when possible. She took what I said to mean two rooms cleaned those rooms could be 300 feet each.:eek: She booked the job through a neighborhood handyman facebook site. We never actually spoke on the phone, it was through fb messenger so she has a copy and I have a copy of our conversations. I show up to the job both rooms were combo size and I'm pretty lenient. She has a 9am appt and asked if check was ok? Otherwise she would leave the check with her brother...I should have paused things there. I got there the check was already written out with a three way conversation. I'll just clean 300 square feet of poly carpet in the empty Family room and around the furniture in the other room 200 square feet in that one and be done with it. It will be worth it for the great review right:cigar:?

I could have asked for for a credit card or hit up her brother but I don't think he had a car. I've been dying to try out my fresh gallon of Omegazyme as a standalone. My go to for non nylon is traffic slam/flex with my 175 or my Orbiter.

I've been way more than pleased with the bonnet pro products. So I'm leaning hard towards operator error on my end but I got a "text call back" from that job two nights later. She wasn't happy with my job:poop: She just thought I should know because I was so highly recommended:( I knew it would be about the pile distortion in the traffic areas adjacent to the kitchen:devil: I skipped the step of explaining that part:oops: like I normally do . Looking at the pics I could see something wasn't right. I texted her back and stated I would gladly reclean it over because I agree the chemistry let me down on her carpet but she owed me 40 more dollars:cautious: Way more than reasonable I thought:D She barked back at me and stated she would have someone else clean it. She also stated in the text she held off giving me a review until she text me first. I was grateful as well. I waited several minutes to respond and gather my thoughts. I decided to just be honest and straightforward. I dropped the ball by not getting a carpet history, she had a wick back that was likely stains hidden under the moderate to heavy soiling in that traffic area. I asked previously if there were any pet issues at the beginning of the conversation. I have an excellent reputation to fall back on. On most jobs like this I make arrangements to have a check sent for the difference. I haven't had a bounced check in several years. I trust others and expect them to trust me. I regained her trust but I used fb messaging to explain to her about that carpet fiber, affinities to oil, fiber damage and light reflection issues etc. etc like I should have done in the beginning.

I was confident I could make it right. I brought Rosie my hawk 13 inch a red pad and a couple of bonnets. I was going to prespot with oxy spotter followed up by my new best friend Grease hawg and a pump up sprayer.

I asked her to vacuum the carpet again prior to my arrival. She had a slightly used Kirby in the kitchen. It was just her brother and I. The carpet didn't look clean enough and I'm felt ashamed when I first saw it.:cry: It wasn't all that bad but it wasn't my brightest moment. I saw maybe 15-20 faint light brown spots that I didn't see before. I asked the brother if he thought they could be pet stains? He said sure, she had a dog. Did the dog pee on the carpet? Most likely...:rolleyes: It didn't smell like urine, it could have likely been sugar residue from a beverage or cleaning residue. I hit it with the Greasehawg and red pad and was happy immediately to see the difference. I followed that up with two cloth bonnets. I was ashamed at the amount of filthy grime I left behind to be honest. I didn't use hot water during the initial cleaning. Instead A thorough vacuuming, with 8 ozs of Omegazyme for 2 gallons of hot water through a pump up sprayer, CRB , then 300 psi outside hose bib 80ish degrees extraction. I probably should have made the omegazyme stronger. Those bonnets removed a remarkable amount of soiling unless something was wrong with my extraction.

It looked awesome when I was done. I ran my CRB with trays post bonnet. The custy is singing my praises now:whistle:. Obviously I could have hooked up my hot turbo and used hot water instead of cold. Was that the issue? Or could it be some products work better with a bonnet than without? The manufacturers will all claim the superior product and rightfully so...but that doesn't mean they are being straight. What products would be more suited or less suited for a crb as opposed to a commercial OP setup?

Normally I would apologize for the long winded post but no we could use shop talk to drown out all the noise.

I was joking about leaving the HWE behind. By the way the Oreck Orbiter issue has been addressed by the encapstore.com. They recommend grinding or cutting off the little stubs on the pad holder and then putting velcro which they sell on the holder to hold the pad. Also Challenger sells a velcro pad holder made from wood that uses velcro to hold the pad. Good luck