How to get vct to shine and last longer without wax.

Discussion in 'Hard Surface Care' started by john geurkink.com, Jun 30, 2013.

  1. john geurkink.com

    john geurkink.com Active Member

    Jun 18, 2008
    492
    155
    43
    Carpet cleaning and manufacturing of OP equipment,
    Winchester, Ky
    Ratings:
    +257 / 12 / -0
    To achieve a great shine, better than wax, cut down a vct floor with 400 grit diamonds, harden it with like a concrete hardener, then polish with 11,000 grit diamonds, what you achieve is a surface roughly 18 times harder with superior shine that never needs waxing. We did this the last couple of weeks, I can not tell you if other OP's will do it because I used the Trinity Beast with 210 pounds head weight to achieve it. Shined up beautifully and can be cleaned and maintained with just water and a 11,000 grit diamond pad. It could totally revolutionize how vct is cared for. Remember about the only people making money on vct are the ones selling the stripper and waxes...LOL
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  2. Gasoline

    Gasoline EcoTech Carpet Clean: The Green Choice
    Premium VIP

    Apr 11, 2011
    10,346
    2,952
    113
    Male
    Owner/Operator
    PA
    Ratings:
    +6,478 / 29 / -0
    So you used the 400 grit to remove the old finish and jumped up to the 11000 grit to polish a clean floor?

    All using plain water?
    No stripper?
     
  3. timmoore

    timmoore Well-Known Member

    Mar 20, 2013
    2,039
    263
    83
    Male
    owner
    murfreesboro tn
    Ratings:
    +463 / 0 / -0
    interesting even though i dont do much vct anymore everyonce and a while i have some to do and HATE the stripping and runnoff would be good for persision strips when you dont want or cant have stipper running all over the place may have to make a trip to KY one day to check it out
     
  4. bjones2004

    bjones2004 Active Member

    Feb 3, 2013
    929
    178
    43
    Male
    Ratings:
    +434 / 5 / -0
    I'm interested in the process.

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using TMF Forums mobile app
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. bIGPoPpa

    bIGPoPpa Active Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    166
    29
    28
    Male
    Owner
    NJ
    Ratings:
    +43 / 0 / -0
    What kind of hardener are you using?
     
  6. john gerding

    Premium VIP

    Aug 1, 2012
    14,231
    5,996
    113
    Ratings:
    +12,109 / 117 / -0
    Bump for clarification.. I dont know squat about concrete so what is this concrete hardener you speak of? the floor looks great I want to do this to our main office. when we moved into the building one of the guys stripped and waxed the floor and now 6 months later it looks terrible... We have roughly 30 people trampling this vct every day and it is dirty and scratched up. and we do sometimes have clients come into the office since we offer free auto floormat cleaning on fridays. It would be nice to go to a waxless polished vct. Thanks for any extra info on this discovery of your,s.
     
  7. Dr Cleaning

    Dr Cleaning Well-Known Member

    Jun 19, 2008
    1,136
    106
    63
    owner
    Cherry Hill NJ
    Ratings:
    +313 / 0 / -0
    I would think VCT is to soft to hold A polished shine
     
  8. Blacktiedetailing

    Blacktiedetailing www.crsurfacecare.com
    Premium VIP

    Mar 30, 2011
    5,073
    2,950
    113
    Male
    Carpet guy trying to become a stone guy
    Las Vegas
    Ratings:
    +5,500 / 13 / -0
    John, have you teamed up with Dana? Sounds like you are taking the monkey/cheetah pad system to vinyl floors? I dont get it but if it works for ya, then rock on.. Didnt think hardner was meant for VCT flooring..
     
  9. matt30577

    Premium VIP

    Dec 21, 2009
    10,460
    3,360
    113
    Male
    carpet cleaning, etc.
    georgia
    Ratings:
    +6,678 / 55 / -2
    Can you post a link or supplier to the specific concrete hardner you used?
     
  10. tom patnode

    Premium VIP

    Jun 8, 2008
    5,326
    1,076
    113
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +3,771 / 14 / -0
    My fear on a system like this is wear on the VCT. for cleaning up trashed vct that looked great but I would want to add a wax/ sealer after.
    I too know nothing about hardeners for the vct
     
  11. Gasoline

    Gasoline EcoTech Carpet Clean: The Green Choice
    Premium VIP

    Apr 11, 2011
    10,346
    2,952
    113
    Male
    Owner/Operator
    PA
    Ratings:
    +6,478 / 29 / -0
    I just used the diamond pads on some terrazzo last night. The info on them says you can not use them on vct due to it being too soft of a floor. So something must be used to overcome that hurdle. I am eager to find a better solution to the strip and wax process. If one exists, please let it be known here.
     
  12. Blacktiedetailing

    Blacktiedetailing www.crsurfacecare.com
    Premium VIP

    Mar 30, 2011
    5,073
    2,950
    113
    Male
    Carpet guy trying to become a stone guy
    Las Vegas
    Ratings:
    +5,500 / 13 / -0
    That video is from the monkey pad center.
     
  13. tom patnode

    Premium VIP

    Jun 8, 2008
    5,326
    1,076
    113
    San Diego
    Ratings:
    +3,771 / 14 / -0
    I think doing this will be going against the labeled recommendations. None of us ever do that right? perfect measurements on all chemical mixtures...
    Since it is cleaned while wet I guess it is low risk but are you not sanding asbestos really?
     
  14. Blacktiedetailing

    Blacktiedetailing www.crsurfacecare.com
    Premium VIP

    Mar 30, 2011
    5,073
    2,950
    113
    Male
    Carpet guy trying to become a stone guy
    Las Vegas
    Ratings:
    +5,500 / 13 / -0
    In my lowly opinion, I do not see why this was even posted. But hey, people post dumber stuff all the time..
     
  15. Gasoline

    Gasoline EcoTech Carpet Clean: The Green Choice
    Premium VIP

    Apr 11, 2011
    10,346
    2,952
    113
    Male
    Owner/Operator
    PA
    Ratings:
    +6,478 / 29 / -0
    My comment was just to confirm from another source, that vct is a soft substance in comparison to terrazzo, stone, marble etc.

    Trying to polish vct without using the strip and wax method...I don't know how you would do that, that's why I am here. John G should speak up.

    Is vct still made with asbestos? I thought that had stopped a long time ago. Maybe in the '80's?
     
  16. john gerding

    Premium VIP

    Aug 1, 2012
    14,231
    5,996
    113
    Ratings:
    +12,109 / 117 / -0
    Im assuming that the concrete hardener acts like a sort of clear coat and your actually polishing that rather then the vct itself....But we need to hear back from john on that.
     
  17. FloorCareMD

    FloorCareMD Well-Known Member

    Apr 2, 2012
    2,293
    1,152
    113
    Male
    Shineoligist
    Pennsylvania
    Ratings:
    +1,913 / 2 / -0
    I'd like to see how that would hold up to foot and cart traffic like in front of a deli counter in a grocery store or check out lanes. I'm positive it would not. Would be replacing tiles, not worth the risk.
    How did you come up with the 18% figure? What wax have you been using if that is a better shine than wax? Video briefly shows someone running a machine, then a slow as molasses guy taking forever to suck up the slurry, then jumps to the finished results of a shiny floor. I would rather wax and buff than do this slow process several times per week to keep up a gloss. Those people selling those pads at their ridiculous prices are the ones making the real money.
    One could probably buff out a car's paint too to a decent shine with no wax applied too but where would the protection from the elements and road dirt etc, come from? Not my car and not my customers tile.
     
  18. john geurkink.com

    john geurkink.com Active Member

    Jun 18, 2008
    492
    155
    43
    Carpet cleaning and manufacturing of OP equipment,
    Winchester, Ky
    Ratings:
    +257 / 12 / -0
    Wow, a lot of negatives...LOL

    Ok, first the hardener /densifier we used was Innovative Solutions hardener, it is not just one or the other and it was designed for VCT, Limestone, travertine and concrete.
    It chemically causes a reaction that hardens the surface. On the mohs scale VCT is a 2-2.5, after hardening it is between 3-3.5 and sometimes 4. So even one number on the mohs scale show 18 times the hardness of standard vct. So now it is not such a soft surface, remember Calcium carbonate (limestone) is the preferred filler in vinyl flooring and the calcium is what we are hardening.
    The first time, we did use a couple of steps of diamonds to get it to 11,000, the point was now we can maintain with just 11,000 grit.

    More later
     
  19. Hard Rock Tool

    Nov 12, 2012
    81
    13
    8
    Male
    Ratings:
    +25 / 0 / -0
    Anytime you challenge the norm you will be met with resistance and negativity.

    What type of densifier is the Innovative Solutions? Lithiium, Potassium, Sodium, Colloidal?

    Does VCT stain easily if there is not a protective coating of wax on top?
     
  20. FloorCareMD

    FloorCareMD Well-Known Member

    Apr 2, 2012
    2,293
    1,152
    113
    Male
    Shineoligist
    Pennsylvania
    Ratings:
    +1,913 / 2 / -0
    Where is the saving$ ?
     

Share This Page

  • About Us

    Carpet Cleaning Forum, Water Restoration Forum. Free information on marketing, truck mount repairs, bookkeeping, modifications, instructional videos, truck mount machines and accessory ratings and reviews for Cleaners all over the world!
  • Quick Jump

    Open the Quick Navigation

  • Like Us On Facebook

  • Carpet Cleaning Training

    The TMF team works very hard to keep this forum alive and ticking, we would appreciate it if you would become a Premium VIP member today.We'd really appreciate it!

    TMF ACADEMY TRAINING