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Kind of inline with what your saying in my very early experience cleaning carpet I feel largely that the chems are doing most of the work. Its crazy to see them go on and the carpet start to look better already. Of course, we perform a lot of labor after the chems but to me they are doing most of the cleaning.

Maybe some others feel this way as well..
Let the chems do the heavy lifting. Enzyme presprays are my favorite. Lay it on heavy so it stays damp for about 20 minutes, then go at it. Grease isn't even close to a challenge if your chems are on par.

Then I think every carpet cleaner has their own secret mix of "carpet nuke" when the customer doesn't care about anything and it's a "good results or we replace it anyway" kind of job.
 

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Let the chems do the heavy lifting. Enzyme presprays are my favorite. Lay it on heavy so it stays damp for about 20 minutes, then go at it. Grease isn't even close to a challenge if your chems are on par.

Then I think every carpet cleaner has their own secret mix of "carpet nuke" when the customer doesn't care about anything and it's a "good results or we replace it anyway" kind of job.
I think I have only used TMF stuff so far and I feel it all has done the heavy lifting so far for sure.

Being new and all I’m left believing TMF chemistry is as good as the best if not the best so guess I’ll stay with them..
I admit sometimes I think I’m putting it down too heavy, at least compared to a video rob has where he advises not to over spray.. but I can’t bring myself to go really light because I would really dislike having to go back, treat again, and clean again.
 

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Well let's put it this way, the 360i will probably "flush" the carpet better than a regular wand will. I highly doubt its pulling anything out of the pad except for capillary action. But the difference is you're getting continuous suction passes over that piece of carpet vs a wand dry stroking once or twice.
I mean vs a water claw, after several slow 360 dry passes I have never been able to pull any more moisture with a water claw after.

This is after flooding the pad on urine jobs.

Imo using a 360 slower with double dry pass is a lot faster than going square by square with a waterclaw
 

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Yes u can use more and stronger chems to get away with no CRB, and just wand the carpet..

But the idea is minimal moisture in the customers home.

When you CRB+wand u can keep pre spray very minimal and also you dont need so many gallons of water when u rinse, a lot of times triggering on back stroke only is plenty.

Vs heavy pre spray soaking the carpet then double triggering your cutting hours off of dry times
 
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RE's clean the fiber from all sides while pulling apart the nap or laying it over on itself or various combinations of that. Generally most people wand in 2 directions only towards the exit point of the room. Better wanding is done in 4 or more directions in heavily soiled areas for premium results, just like vacuuming heavily soiled areas. Wands can achieve fantastic results on the order of powered tools when needed if you attack it right and let the stitch of the carpet work for you.
East-West-North-South theory great for those heavily soiled areas. SMH ..Been years since I heard this . Figures it would be JIm D. LOL
If most or all of the carpet is trashed we pull out the 360i with the brush head. Combo of brush , flow and good lift removes a truckload of moisture and filth.
 

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I mean vs a water claw, after several slow 360 dry passes I have never been able to pull any more moisture with a water claw after.

This is after flooding the pad on urine jobs.

Imo using a 360 slower with double dry pass is a lot faster than going square by square with a waterclaw
Pretty insightful. IMO you are stating what you said initially another way here. I find it very interesting and defiantly making the case for a rotary. especially on trashed floors and urine situations if you are flushing.
 
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Yes u can use more and stronger chems to get away with no CRB, and just wand the carpet..

But the idea is minimal moisture in the customers home.

When you CRB+wand u can keep pre spray very minimal and also you dont need so many gallons of water when u rinse, a lot of times triggering on back stroke only is plenty.

Vs heavy pre spray soaking the carpet then double triggering your cutting hours off of dry times
Nice. I am fortunate enough to have a couple of jobs on Monday so maybe I ll get the chance to put down pre spray a bit lighter since I do use a CRB as part of my process and maybe even rinse a little less with my wand as you say.


*I actually changed the dry times on my web site pricing packages and on the invoice because a house I did last week was 'damp' the next morning. I really hit it hard with spray and with the rinse and no power for fans or air movers so I think that was all part of it but I'm realizing that I don't want to be promising things I might not always be delivering.
 

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Yes u can use more and stronger chems to get away with no CRB, and just wand the carpet..

But the idea is minimal moisture in the customers home.

When you CRB+wand u can keep pre spray very minimal and also you dont need so many gallons of water when u rinse, a lot of times triggering on back stroke only is plenty.

Vs heavy pre spray soaking the carpet then double triggering your cutting hours off of dry times
Do you (anybody) think hot/warm prespray makes a significant difference? I ask because my inline sprayer requires I start the generator and all the equipment then run the wand to get hot water flowing, then switch to sprayer to mix up the juice. Then spray. Then shut everything off while its dwelling and agitating before firing it all back up again.

So I really ask because if I mix my juice in say a pump sprayer and I want to keep it all outside (hose bib) as not to fill a pump sprayer at a customers sink (perception) do you think I would be lessening the effectiveness at all?

That was pretty long winded but if you can tell I am looking to shortcut that process especially on smaller jobs by mixing small batch in pump up and spraying that way. That process is good for getting steps in LOL but bad for cleaning times!
 

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Mixing the chems in a small amount warm water and adding them to a pump up full of cold water will not detract from their effectiveness. Lightly prespraying with a hydroforce with hot water doesn't add much if any heat to the fiber, time along with chemical concentration level for the job at hand is more important at this stage.

I use various amounts of coated percarbonate on virtually every carpet job and it requires hot water for quick solubility, my actual prespray dissolves easily in cold water. Check your stuff with cold tap water and see how it goes, does it dissolve quick? If it does your good to go.
 

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Mixing the chems in a small amount warm water and adding them to a pump up full of cold water will not detract from their effectiveness. Lightly prespraying with a hydroforce with hot water doesn't add much if any heat to the fiber, time along with chemical concentration level for the job at hand is more important at this stage.

I use various amounts of coated percarbonate on virtually every carpet job and it requires hot water for quick solubility, my actual prespray dissolves easily in cold water. Check your stuff with cold tap water and see how it goes, does it dissolve quick? If it does your good to go.
Might have to start doing smaller jobs out of a pump up to save time - thanks Jim!
 
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Do you (anybody) think hot/warm prespray makes a significant difference? I ask because my inline sprayer requires I start the generator and all the equipment then run the wand to get hot water flowing, then switch to sprayer to mix up the juice. Then spray. Then shut everything off while its dwelling and agitating before firing it all back up again.

So I really ask because if I mix my juice in say a pump sprayer and I want to keep it all outside (hose bib) as not to fill a pump sprayer at a customers sink (perception) do you think I would be lessening the effectiveness at all?

That was pretty long winded but if you can tell I am looking to shortcut that process especially on smaller jobs by mixing small batch in pump up and spraying that way. That process is good for getting steps in LOL but bad for cleaning times!
dont pre spray hot, just mix inline sprayer with warm water when using powders.

definitely TM or other heater off when spraying.

we prefer to minimize the invasion on the customer as much as possible so avoiding their sinks etc
 
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dont pre spray hot, just mix inline sprayer with warm water when using powders.

definitely TM or other heater off when spraying.

we prefer to minimize the invasion on the customer as much as possible so avoiding their sinks etc
Ok so couple questions if you don't mind.

Why not mix pre spray hot? Why mix inline sprayer with warm water when using powders? And, if we are not invading customers sinks how might you suggest getting warm water for mixing pre spray? (Actually, I do turn the dial on the diesel heater to about half way vs full way when im extracting but god only god knows what temperature that might be at that point because I don't)

And, I definitely been having my diesel heater on when spraying pre spray! And I assume the same applies to a pump up sprayer if I start going that route.
 

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Ok so couple questions if you don't mind.

Why not mix pre spray hot? Why mix inline sprayer with warm water when using powders? And, if we are not invading customers sinks how might you suggest getting warm water for mixing pre spray? (Actually, I do turn the dial on the diesel heater to about half way vs full way when im extracting but god only god knows what temperature that might be at that point because I don't)

And, I definitely been having my diesel heater on when spraying pre spray! And I assume the same applies to a pump up sprayer if I start going that route.
I meant dont pre spray with heater on, your out too much chem in the air vs in the carprt where u want it

I always mix in the jug hot/warm
 
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I meant dont pre spray with heater on, your out too much chem in the air vs in the carprt where u want it

I always mix in the jug hot/warm
Ok thank you sir I appreciate your feedback.
 
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Always have to try. I think that the email limit has ended, try to increase it. I had a similar situation when I sent an SMS through BSG, my limits for sending is off and the messages stopped sending. When I increased the limit all messages went fine!
 

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Hello all! I am new to the carpet cleaning industry as well as these forums which are awesome by the way.

I was wondering how do you know what tool you should use for what job?

If you walk into a job and look at the carpets, what tells you whether you should use the wand, a CRB, or a rotary?
In many cases you don't have to possess all the
" carpet cleaners " wisdom, sometimes is the common sense, which leads you to right decision. For example, homeowner wants to refresh their carpeting, surface doesn't show much wear and tear, no pets, no high traffic patterns, just light dust accumulation. Pre spraying with your choice of chemistry, extract with your favorite wand and use mild acidic rinse( or not ) of your choice. If fiber is soft and carpet is damp on touch( when touched with back of your hand, not soaking wet) your common sense prevailed and task is completed .The choice of tools to be used on each particular job can be unraveled by knowing your equipment. No offense, but I hate these type of questions ( IMO there is no wrong or right answer) too many factors to be considered. What type of the girl do you fancy? Down to earth, country gal, shy one or the one, who's confidence makes you thinks twice to cross her path?
Analogy might be out of whack, but when approaching carpet there's a lot to be considered. Age of the carpet, level of soil, type of soil, type of carpeting, grades of carpet, location ( main floor, basement) will sometime give you answers about types ( you can hardly find wall to wall wool carpet in the basement. Most popular in the basement is berber
( looped, different styles) Being in the ground , carpeting is prone to retain moisture longer and in case of looped style
( slow drying times), not talking about tendencies for browning , because of it.
Oftentimes we don't have the luxury of having all those fancy tools, all we have sometimes is portable, wand and Oreck Orbiter, if that . So there are many ways how to make carpet clean using little bit of heat, some agitation and right chemistry. So, be resourceful, read on on hundreds of the topics pertaining to your question . I hope I helped a little, but if you expect short answer, I don't think you'll find it in here.
Good luck with your business.
 
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