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The advice of others is correct . If you have no experience cleaning this type of thing DONT DO IT . Education is important with this type of situation although C Diff is very prevalent .
You can bring it in your home from the soil in your yard and small children can pick it up from playing on the floor or entrance mat you stepped on . More likely is getting it from a source like you are asked to clean . Can it make you very sick ?? Yes . Can it be life threatening ?? Maybe . Anything is "possible " but not " probable " . There's a difference .
Almost any surface including carpeting can be cleaned BUT you have to know which chems to use , how to use them and how to clean your equipment AFTER cleaning . I worked in a hospital and we took classes on this and other decontamination . The aforementioned TB and the various strains amoung them . You really haven't " lived " until you've sat through video and still pictures of operations excising sections of a human bowel severely damaged by C Diff . I might also say this about the odor when entering a contaminated room .
To say it's " overpowering " would be an understatement . You will never forget that odor .
Ever .
All the Best , Ed
 

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I remember when I was a kid there was an older gentleman down the road that had TB and was contagious. Because of other health issues he couldn't be treated so he was quarantined for several years. After he passed (I was about 12 or 13) a company was called in to the clean the house. They went in the house in yellow hazmat suits, full respirators, the works. And when they were done they set up a decon tent in the yard and everything that went in the house came out through that tent. Equipment was completely sterilized or thrown away. Can you imagine bagging up and throwing out your entire reel of vac hose and solution line?

I don't know much about C Diff, how its transmitted, the level of contagiousness, but that's what I'm picturing when you said cleaning a place with a contagious person living there.

C-diff isn't usually a lethal condition, but it is fairly contagious (it can be transmitted by touch or by contact with any contaminated surface) and the chronic symptoms are very unpleasant for everyone involved.

Flare-ups can cause fever, pain, and up to 10-15 bouts of cramps and explosive watery diarrhea per day, for days or even weeks on end. Palliative fluid care is all that is currently available - antibiotic treatment is only partially successful and patients often relapse even after multiple treatment cycles.

Most deaths from C-diff come from the very young, the very old, or the immuno-compromised and are due to dehydration and sometimes internal bleeding. In healthy adults, the condition will often run its course and resolve itself within a few weeks as the gut re-colonizes.

Some success has been had in transplanting fecal bacteria into a patient to help ease symptoms.

Yes, they put someone else's poo-germs in you to make you better. Crazy world, eh?
 

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C-diff isn't usually a lethal condition, but it is fairly contagious (it can be transmitted by touch or by contact with any contaminated surface) and the chronic symptoms are very unpleasant for everyone involved.

Flare-ups can cause fever, pain, and up to 10-15 bouts of cramps and explosive watery diarrhea per day, for days or even weeks on end. Palliative fluid care is all that is currently available - antibiotic treatment is only partially successful and patients often relapse even after multiple treatment cycles.

Most deaths from C-diff come from the very young, the very old, or the immuno-compromised and are due to dehydration and sometimes internal bleeding. In healthy adults, the condition will often run its course and resolve itself within a few weeks as the gut re-colonizes.

Some success has been had in transplanting fecal bacteria into a patient to help ease symptoms.

Yes, they put someone else's poo-germs in you to make you better. Crazy world, eh?
Think i might pass and let kevin take on this one
 

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Cleaning and disinfecting do require training. I don't think it should be attempted without training and proper PPE. But this is a field that has potentially very good money because many do not want to do it.

Start with an AMRT class or a course in trauma and crime scene clean-up. American Bio Recovery and Restoration Science Academy offer good course (some done through Interlink Supply). IICRC is adding this to certification courses.

Here is an article from a few years ago that appeared in ICS magazine. (I was ghost writer.) You can note the effectiveness of some of the products available for C-Diff. This includes Bactibarrier and some other products as well.

New Markets for Disinfectant Services – ICS

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Pro Bowl guard Carl Nicks came into the locker room with a blister on his foot. He left with a MRSA infection. Nicks was one of three Tampa Bay players who contracted MRSA during the 2013 preseason and the first several weeks of the regular season. Three other teams have also reported MRSA infections among players in the last several years.

MRSA has also shown up at other sports facilities from professional lacrosse venues to high school stadiums and locker rooms.

MRSA is a bacterium that resists common antibiotics. It can cause intense flu-like symptoms and potentially even lead to death. MRSA is present on the skin of many people. Transmission to another person occurs when a cut or skin abrasion is not cleaned properly. Once inside the body, MRSA can cause a serious infection.

A lake in Washington State was closed this summer after several swimmers were sickened by Norovirus. Earlier this year, nearly 700 people on the cruise ship Explorer of the Seas had vomiting, cramps, diarrhea and other symptoms of Norovirus. Yet, the CDC says the place someone is most likely to catch this bug is at a local restaurant because a worker fails to wash his/her hands or comes to work sick, a common occurrence for low paid food workers who have no paid sick leave.

An expensive Ivy League school was experiencing unwanted odors in some dormitories. This caused negative feedback from students and their families.

The common thread? Each of these issues can be traced back to bacteria and mold in places we come into contact with every day. Light switches, door knobs, computer keyboards, the counter at the bank or your child’s desk at school are all likely to harbor a variety of harmful bacteria.

Consider the table in the restaurant you head to after work for dinner or drinks. The waitress has just wiped it off with a cloth kept in a bucket of cleaning solution. Really, how clean is that cloth or the solution it is kept in? Before you arrived, has any disinfectant in the solution had the required 15 to 20 minutes of dwell time necessary to be effective?

Does the night cleaning crew at the local discount store properly disinfect all the surfaces at the checkout counter? Have you ever opened the door to a hotel room and been greeted by a stale musty smell?

I’m not trying to encourage you to wear gloves, respirator and a Tyvek suit every time you go out in public. What I do want you to realize is that there is a huge market to treat, disinfect and protect surfaces throughout your service area.

One outbreak of illness can cause a business a lot of lost income. Now imagine the reverse situation. A luxury resort hotel could proudly tell its guests that all rooms and public areas had been treated to prevent the growth of bacteria or mold on surfaces. A home builder could offer homes for sale after the framing and drywall had been disinfecting and protected against mold growing on those surfaces?

A two-step process using quats (quaternary ammonium compounds) and organosilanes can be applied by any cleaner with only a minimum amount of training. The first step cleans and disinfects the surface. The second step applies a long-lasting barrier against future contamination from bacteria or mold. This barrier is known as a bound antimicrobial.

Application of the protector to surfaces produces an invisible, transparent and durable antimicrobial film that will not transfer on contact with other surfaces and is non-leaching on contact with water or solvents. It can be applied to a wide variety of surfaces and materials including carpet, upholstery, drapes, linens, wood, plastics, stone, porcelain and metals.

Unlike conventional antimicrobials, a bound antimicrobial does not emit gas, leach, diffuse, migrate, volatilize, or otherwise leave the surface to which it has been applied. The result is an extraordinary safe and profile unmatched by other products.


Since a bound antimicrobial is fixed to the surface it continually operates at full strength. This allows it to be effective at reducing nosocomial infections (infections acquired in the hospital). Such a coating is able to reduce microbial loads on a surface without outside intervention. By removing the ability of a surface to act as a microbial reservoir it may be possible to break the ‘‘nosocomial infection loop.’’ (Journal of Materials Science)

When the Detergent/Disinfectant and Protector are used together, here are a few of the microbes it’s effective against:

· Norovirus

· Mycobacterium tuberculosis (TB)

· Stachybotrys, black mold

· Methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus (MRSA)

· Influenza

· HIV

· E. coli

· Active (non-spore) C. diff

· And many more

The only products with more kill claims are corrosive and dangerous chlorine bleach and hydrogen peroxide-based products.

For example, two independent lab studies were conducted on BactiBarrier Surface Protector to determine: 1) Level of protection provided on a range of surfaces 2) Effectiveness against C-Diff.


1) Study one showed that the protector reduced the contamination levels on surfaces in a nursing home by as much as 100%! Door knobs, toilets, rails, light switches, and more were tested before application, and 40 days after application, to measure effectiveness. One door knob had a bacteria count of 51,000 before application, dropped to 0 and remained down to 0 forty days after application.

2) Study two illustrates the effectiveness at killing C. diff and preventing spores from growing. Two concentrations were used: 0.5% and 1%. C. diff was placed on the protected surface for 1 and 3 minutes. Results ranged from 98.4% to 99.9% during those times. Since the protector does not evaporate off it is a non-stop killer. In reality, C. diff. could be in contact with the Protector for 3 minutes, 5 minutes or all day, and the kill % could get up to 100% over a longer timeframe. (Sanders Laboratories 11/15/2012)

Bound antimicrobial surface protection is also the perfect solution for preventing mold growth in showers, baths, pools, saunas or anywhere else that is constantly exposed to moisture. The reason is 3 fold:

First, the protector is hydrophobic and repels water. This helps to prevent water from seeping down into the microscopic grooves in grout and creating ideal growing conditions for mold.

Second, the protector has a nitrogen group that is similar in structure to and kills just like a quat.

Third, molecular spears comprised of long carbon chains actually pierce the cell wall to destroy mold that lands on it. (SEE FIGURE 1)

This system is now available to cleaners in 47 states and expected to be available in all states soon. This opens up many new markets; existing building and new construction; homes to retail stores to huge facilities like schools, hospitals and sports stadiums. The new watchwords will be “Clean, disinfect and protect.” Bound antimicrobials promise to be a boon for cleaning contractors who venture into this opening field while competition is very low.
 

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Ended up passing on the job. I'm sure they are mad but it's not worth it
 

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