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Haze left behind after cleaning with Groutmaster

Aldon

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I did a job yesterday using Groutmaster and it left behind a haze/film on the tile. I saw it before I left and rinsing it using the TM and hot water. Client called today saying he can see my foot prints on the surface of tile. Anyone with any thoughts on how to solve this?
 

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grout haze....send pics....

could be:
- new tile...left over gout hase from installer....
- too much solution...
- didnt dry quickly
- didnt rinse it enough
- didnt use a fan to dry it....
- didnt do enough dry passes

sometimes you can rinse with a mild alcaline to get rid of grout haze...
some say use a acid rinse......
 
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Reclean. Use less grout master this time and rinse it good. If its let dry it will leave that white haze. Viper venom powder did this also. Toweling it off after helps. I just use a grout brush on a stick and push a towel around behind me. Area dries faster. But usually that haze is from too much solution, it dried before rinsing, or wasnt rinsed off completely.
 

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Reclean. Use less grout master this time and rinse it good. If its let dry it will leave that white haze. Viper venom powder did this also. Toweling it off after helps. I just use a grout brush on a stick and push a towel around behind me. Area dries faster. But usually that haze is from too much solution, it dried before rinsing, or wasnt rinsed off completely.

Do you like the powder better than the liq?
My supplier only stocks liq, I prefer powders...
I was about to order a big bucket of the powder?
 

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Work in smaller areas so he Groutmaster doesn’t have time to dry before you clean it. You have to be sure to go over every square inch of the floor and overlap your passes by half.

Also, what dilution are you using? Mixing it too strong will make it harder to rinse while cleaning. I use 1 to 1.5 scoops per gallon. Any more will be too strong.
 
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Here is the solution followed by prevention/cause as any alkaline can haze. Either Solutions works: 1- Spray a light mist of Unchained and use a microfiber mop. 2- 175 & red pad shear off in seconds 3- Mix Light dilution of GM, 1oz per gallon, and reclean. Prevention/cause; 1) Rinse well 2) Don’t allow any alkaline cleaner to dry 3) Pay attn high areas, they dry fast 4) Don’t use more than 4oz per gallon 5) Don’t use too hot water like with Truckmount courtesy hose. It’s 3 products in one and it will separate and fall out of solution. 6) Follow up cleaning with a micro fiber mop. I’ve used it for over a decade. Had it happen a couple times early on but never again in last 9years.
 
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Another possibility is that sometimes these floors can have remnants of wax where the pre-spray penetrates the wax but does not break up the wax preventing it from being rinsed away. As the water evaporates the powder appears.
 
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Here is the solution followed by prevention/cause as any alkaline can haze. Either Solutions works: 1- Spray a light mist of Unchained and use a microfiber mop. 2- 175 & red pad shear off in seconds 3- Mix Light dilution of GM, 1oz per gallon, and reclean. Prevention/cause; 1) Rinse well 2) Don’t allow any alkaline cleaner to dry 3) Pay attn high areas, they dry fast 4) Don’t use more than 4oz per gallon 5) Don’t use too hot water like with Truckmount courtesy hose. It’s 3 products in one and it will separate and fall out of solution. 6) Follow up cleaning with a micro fiber mop. I’ve used it for over a decade. Had it happen a couple times early on but never again in last 9years.
Do you always clean tile with low heat? Having hazing issues and it happens when the weather in arizona heats up.. I think it’s the water temp when rinsing causing issues
 

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grout haze....send pics....

could be:
- new tile...left over gout hase from installer....
- too much solution...
- didnt dry quickly
- didnt rinse it enough
- didnt use a fan to dry it....
- didnt do enough dry passes

sometimes you can rinse with a mild alcaline to get rid of grout haze...
some say use a acid rinse......

A high PH or base/Alkaline should be neutralized and rinsed with a lower Ph or Acid.
its reversed for Acid needs to be neutralized with Alkaline rinse.

Rinsing with a Alkaline might seem like a good idea but you really are just adding more or rinsing with a lesser amount but can still be left with residue.

You also have to know how to neutralize and how much of it.

high PH cleaners need to be properly neutralized something that I do not see many talks or articles about. I mostly hear "rinse" "Neutralize" as a generic term but the biggest question is How high of a cleaner are you using and how much do you need to neutralize to the level needed to not leave behind a residue. If too much heat you can cook some chemistry and cause them to begin to cake and that can be just as bad as letting a prespray dry, Its just harder to rinse off. tile and especially grout is porous you wouldnt think that but they are.