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Don't pay for backlinks... Backlinks will be from all over the internet... You want local support... Make sure you have the proper coding on your website... Claim your business listing with Google Maps...
If you haven't done so add your business information to the TMF Directory you'll receive a "No - Follow" backlink, but it is still good.
Shane took the time to give us a list of Directories you can submit your website to. New 2015 List of Local Directories for your Website.
Good Luck!
~Tiffany
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Magnum I feel your frustration but unless you invest (well worth it if the ROI makes sense) you are always taking a chance.
What kind of results have you been seeing with your current source? Page one ? Are you tracking you backlinks with semrush or Ahrefs?
Anyone doing their own SEO is going to go through the growing pains of hit or miss with backlink outreach providers.
Insofar as paying for backlinks that's just the way it is. I like to think of it as a cost of doing business. People spend time and money to rank websites and you are paying them real estate fees to post your content. The whole Content is
B/S is not going to magically 
your site. Someone has to go out there and hustle to get it posted: PBN or BLO you need to pay to play. Or be naive and wish for things to just magically happen to your site cause you're a swell chap 
Especially when you have competitors building more links than you.
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Mrs. Speedy - I think he is talking about ranking in the serps and not local. I do however agree with you that your local GMB listing is probably going to be your primary source of leads. I'd like to also add it's important to optimize it correctly and constantly obtain reviews as well.
Depending on how competitive your market is a GMB listing can got to the top in a matter of days. All depends where you're at, how optimized your GMB is, and your competition.
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Insert sarcasm -> And how do you propose they obtain the life blood of what will determine his ranking in the serps? Will these backlinks just magically appear for him? Or will the dozen or so competitors in his market who are clearly building links just happen to stop doing so? Please help me understand because then I could fire my in house SEO team and take you and the other three people on this thread out for whiskey and steaks
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Insert sarcasm -> And how do you propose they obtain the life blood of what will determine his ranking in the serps? Will these backlinks just magically appear for him? Or will the dozen or so competitors in his market who are clearly building links just happen to stop doing so? Please help me understand because then I could fire my in house SEO team and take you and the other three people on this thread out for whiskey and steaks♂️
I was just speaking regarding paid links only. For other links you have to write blogs, post on all social media sites with links to your site, engage online community. Only a carpet cleaner or person with a lot of knowledge about carpet cleaning can do proper SEO.
SEO expert who doesn't know anything about carpet cleaning is as good as nuclear scientists at fixing your computer. Sure might be a smart person but you will overpay for what you need.
Just my opinion.
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Really great advice. Let's see how that one pans out for him in a year
Quick crash course in SEO -
1) no one cares about your content or your engaging blog posts that you wrote at 1:00 A.M. after managing a business all day. Lets be honest here - our job is to clean carpet or extract restore etc and manage a business. That means having a working knowledge of SEO to the extent you can hire and fire the right morons to do the execution of your goals. The moment you start to know more about SEO than your own industry it's a signal that you're not focusing on the right areas of your business.
2) Backlinks in my experience (not opinion) are the only thing that rank your site. The stronger the links to your site and their anchor text the higher up you go. A few other factors such as on page SEO and how fast your site is are important but we've ranked poop and my competitors have outranked me with worse poop by virtue of good backlinks and on page optimization.
3) A carpet cleaner should absolutely not be engaging in SEO but should have a working knowledge as a business owner as we are attempting to do here so Joe the "SEO expert" won't rape him for $3,000 a month and sell him on " we're gonna get you blog posts and press releases and do backlink outreach and we just did a site audit of your site and it needs to be rebuilt so that's another $1500". Instead he should go onto Upwork or elsewhere and hire the right people to put up his wordpress site put out an ad on indeed to get a few blog writers to make content for it and - here I agree with you absolutely - take the time to make sure the content is relevant to what your clients are searching for (should come from John the carpet cleaner)
4) Make sure said content is keyword optimized (on-page SEO and beyond this thread)
5) stay on top of the monkeys you hired to do link building to make sure they aren't pointing toxic links to your site (use Ahrefs ) wait a month or two, wash, rinse, repeat.
6) When you start to rank well you should invest a little and PAY a professional to write a few white papers or make some videos so your clients see you as an authority. That's it. Don't over do it. Just enough to make you look like you know what you're selling. You're not gonna become the worlds leading expert in Berber and rank your site. You have a business to run and that means getting the phones to ring, having enough $ to finance the jobs, and growth. Your video on the benefits of using pad versus direct glue down is going to matter just as much as Donald Trumps last tweet.
On a personal note - I love the camera and now that my sites are ranking well. Every now and then I'll do a quick video. It's more for PR than to rank my site. People see me or my manager and ask for us when they call in. We're funny and goof off and video ourselves doing it. People like it. That's it.
Some tips:
always always always keep an eye on your competition. Use semrush or AHREFS. There's a reason why they are outranking you. Find it. It's either in the number of links, strength of links, or their on-page.
Hire smart and fire fast - this applies to all areas of business. 9/10 of the people you will deal with are full of it. The moment your gut starts to tingle hit the fire button.
~ love you guys
P.s. If you haven't closed a job today then get the F out there and make it happen! It's 1:40 in NYC. Whose making money?
Thanks! What do you mean by local support? My business is claimed with google maps. Does submitting your site on that list of directories you provided make a difference in ranking?
Magnum I feel your frustration but unless you invest (well worth it if the ROI makes sense) you are always taking a chance.
What kind of results have you been seeing with your current source? Page one ? Are you tracking you backlinks with semrush or Ahrefs?
Anyone doing their own SEO is going to go through the growing pains of hit or miss with backlink outreach providers.
Insofar as paying for backlinks that's just the way it is. I like to think of it as a cost of doing business. People spend time and money to rank websites and you are paying them real estate fees to post your content. The whole Content isB/S is not going to magically
your site. Someone has to go out there and hustle to get it posted: PBN or BLO you need to pay to play. Or be naive and wish for things to just magically happen to your site cause you're a swell chap
Especially when you have competitors building more links than you.
Thank- you, and I agree there is no free lunch in this game. Just like in the old days we had to pay big bucks for a print YP ad.
I've been with two SEO companies now, both of them pretty decent from what I can tell. The first had good back links. I know because when I stopped paying monthly with them and they pulled them all I dropped like a stone. I had just gotten to the bottom of page one. The second guy has been very knowledgeable with the technical stuff that I don't understand. Fixed a bunch of issues with the site, site speed, on page optimization, etc. He's also added blog posts and back links.. however I don't think his links are as strong. However he has gotten me back up to the top of page 2 in 5 months and I get to KEEP all his back links.. so I feel that he has been worth it there.
Now what is semrush and Ahrefs? Sorry I'm a little green here, and as you say I put my time into running a business, not learning SEO. I just want to know enough to not get ripped off.
I'm getting lost in the terminology, what is the serps? and GMB, is that google maps?
Really great advice. Let's see how that one pans out for him in a year
Quick crash course in SEO -
1) no one cares about your content or your engaging blog posts that you wrote at 1:00 A.M. after managing a business all day. Lets be honest here - our job is to clean carpet or extract restore etc and manage a business. That means having a working knowledge of SEO to the extent you can hire and fire the right morons to do the execution of your goals. The moment you start to know more about SEO than your own industry it's a signal that you're not focusing on the right areas of your business.
2) Backlinks in my experience (not opinion) are the only thing that rank your site. The stronger the links to your site and their anchor text the higher up you go. A few other factors such as on page SEO and how fast your site is are important but we've ranked poop and my competitors have outranked me with worse poop by virtue of good backlinks and on page optimization.
3) A carpet cleaner should absolutely not be engaging in SEO but should have a working knowledge as a business owner as we are attempting to do here so Joe the "SEO expert" won't rape him for $3,000 a month and sell him on " we're gonna get you blog posts and press releases and do backlink outreach and we just did a site audit of your site and it needs to be rebuilt so that's another $1500". Instead he should go onto Upwork or elsewhere and hire the right people to put up his wordpress site put out an ad on indeed to get a few blog writers to make content for it and - here I agree with you absolutely - take the time to make sure the content is relevant to what your clients are searching for (should come from John the carpet cleaner)
4) Make sure said content is keyword optimized (on-page SEO and beyond this thread)
5) stay on top of the monkeys you hired to do link building to make sure they aren't pointing toxic links to your site (use Ahrefs ) wait a month or two, wash, rinse, repeat.
6) When you start to rank well you should invest a little and PAY a professional to write a few white papers or make some videos so your clients see you as an authority. That's it. Don't over do it. Just enough to make you look like you know what you're selling. You're not gonna become the worlds leading expert in Berber and rank your site. You have a business to run and that means getting the phones to ring, having enough $ to finance the jobs, and growth. Your video on the benefits of using pad versus direct glue down is going to matter just as much as Donald Trumps last tweet.
On a personal note - I love the camera and now that my sites are ranking well. Every now and then I'll do a quick video. It's more for PR than to rank my site. People see me or my manager and ask for us when they call in. We're funny and goof off and video ourselves doing it. People like it. That's it.
Some tips:
always always always keep an eye on your competition. Use semrush or AHREFS. There's a reason why they are outranking you. Find it. It's either in the number of links, strength of links, or their on-page.
Hire smart and fire fast - this applies to all areas of business. 9/10 of the people you will deal with are full of it. The moment your gut starts to tingle hit the fire button.
~ love you guys
P.s. If you haven't closed a job today then get the F out there and make it happen! It's 1:40 in NYC. Whose making money?
Yup, you know what you are doing. In my limited experience I also feel that back links are very important. Hence my reason for starting this thread and seeking out quality back links that I can pay a one time fee to KEEP, rather than pay monthly to keep them on. Does such a thing exist?
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Just PM me and I'll give you my guys info you can speak to him and see if you want to do business with him. Most backlinks you won't keep - it's just the nature of the business. From my experience you keep building. There is this theoretical concept of getting good quality backlinks blah blah blah I don't know anyone so far that got them. Sure you could pay $10000 per article on a fancy site but that's not affordable. PM me I'll walk you through it. We'll get you back to page one.
Here is a local SEO quickie:
1) Content is king, find out your competitors site how many pages they have site:domainname in google. Create more!
2) Citations (Directory links - different than real strong backlinks) Get in the top 350, you can do this manually! Some are paid, but some are free
3) Backlinks are the VOTES online.
In order to do it naturally, all 3 should be consistent. If you need reply with the URL of some of your competitors and I'll let you know where they are beating you. But honestly, FB ads have been killing it for us outside of SEO for new markets that is taking time for us to grow in.
1) Content is king, find out your competitors site how many pages they have site:domainname in google. Create more!
2) Citations (Directory links - different than real strong backlinks) Get in the top 350, you can do this manually! Some are paid, but some are free
3) Backlinks are the VOTES online.
In order to do it naturally, all 3 should be consistent. If you need reply with the URL of some of your competitors and I'll let you know where they are beating you. But honestly, FB ads have been killing it for us outside of SEO for new markets that is taking time for us to grow in.
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funny thing about seo. people all say don't pay for links, don't look for the paid links. however, if you hire an seo outfit they all have tier'd link pages and a big part of what you're paying them for after they optimise your page is the linking. that said. 1 good relevant link is worth more than thousands of garbage links. you want links that will be around and indexed for a minimum of 6 months. this rules out blog comments and ebay link purchases right here. anchor diversity also plays a big part. if i was really trying to get a lot of work and rank multiple cities i would own a minimum of 3 websites with only one of those being in the locals. the other 2 i would feed links to and have both of those pointing at my locals page. depends on how competitive your market is really, and how much you want to work. when i use to go gangbusters with marketing i would receive more work than i could handle. this may sound great to some of you but really. money isn't everything. i like taking trips around the country and biking various places. scrubbing carpet for hours a day takes its toll on your body and your lungs if you aren't wearing some kind of breathing protection
You're not wrong about links being important, but you do want to have diversity among links (even though not all links are created equal) - like you said.
For example, you want to rank for that one main keyword? You can't just point 50 links for that keyword on high authoritative page, but link building is important but if you have a good person doing your SEO, they should have their own PBN's setup to make sure they meet all the requirements (36 + days indexed before linking out, high TF and CF, etc.)
PM me, I'll take a look at your site and give you a proposal. I own and have access to dozens of relavent high quality sites I can either guestpost on or place them myself. I have some live samples for those interested.
Just a fyi to anyone buying backlinks, please check your anchor text carefully and not over optimize - doing this wrong could potentially set your site back or even penalize it. Also backlinks is not the end all be all for rankings - make sure your on-page is squared away first before building links.
Just a fyi to anyone buying backlinks, please check your anchor text carefully and not over optimize - doing this wrong could potentially set your site back or even penalize it. Also backlinks is not the end all be all for rankings - make sure your on-page is squared away first before building links.
thing about PBN its against the rules from Google to use the and eventually they will crack down on them and put your site on a very long ban or filter you down to page 25
Totally agreed. Though you should check to see how other businesses are listed first. Some chambers of commerce actually list their businesses at a chambermaster subdomain, like keywest.chambermaster.com. Those links aren't worth nearly as much because Google treats subdomains as separate websites, and those chambermaster subdomains tend to be pretty isolated.
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