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Facebook paid £4,327 in tax and you think there's no scam involved. OK, it's a legal scam and they have the accountants to find these loopholes doesn't make it right though. If we all avoided our tax liabilitys just what state would the country be in.
How many people does Facebook employ though Mike?
Gov't gets income tax from all those employees that Facebook pays. Big business always has had tax breaks even in the UK
 

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How many people does Facebook employ though Mike?
Gov't gets income tax from all those employees that Facebook pays. Big business always has had tax breaks even in the UK
They do and I don't have a problem with that as its an incentive. I think corporation tax is around 10% and the fu*kers fiddle their way around that. I don't ever expect anyone to pay more than their fare share, yet I do expect them to pay their fare share. It's ok saying they employ people and these people are paying tax, therefore, we have to make allowances. No, because if they didn't employ these people they wouldn't be able to make as much money.

I don't give a monkey's if you employ 1 person or 1000 people you should still pay your tax like the rest of us. I also, don't agree with this 40% tax that our government has on people earning over 100k why? just because you earn more why should you have to pay even more tax 23% across the board is a fairer system. I don't want anyone punished for being successful, I just want them to pay Cesar what they owe him.
 

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They do and I don't have a problem with that as its an incentive. I think corporation tax is around 10% and the fu*kers fiddle their way around that. I don't ever expect anyone to pay more than their fare share, yet I do expect them to pay their fare share. It's ok saying they employ people and these people are paying tax, therefore, we have to make allowances. No, because if they didn't employ these people they wouldn't be able to make as much money.

I don't give a monkey's if you employ 1 person or 1000 people you should still pay your tax like the rest of us. I also, don't agree with this 40% tax that our government has on people earning over 100k why? just because you earn more why should you have to pay even more tax 23% across the board is a fairer system. I don't want anyone punished for being successful, I just want them to pay Cesar what they owe him.
Actually the scripture is render unto caeser that which is caeser's. What Jesus was saying was if you use romes money, then you follow romes tax laws. Don't like romes tax laws? Don't use romes money. But to follow the tax laws and be able to under the law not pay taxes, that's not my fault. That's the government's fault. Change the government. Not business
 
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Actually the scripture is render unto caeser that which is caeser's. What Jesus was saying was if you use romes money, then you follow romes tax laws. Don't like romes tax laws? Don't use romes money. But to follow the tax laws and be able to under the law not pay taxes, that's not my fault. That's the government's fault. Change the government. Not business
Whooze Hey Souze..(Jesus) Died for MY SINS..Doubt That Seriously..wasn't born yet why should I Care?
Further more..I'm a FULL Blown Non Christ Like.Kinda a Guy..Not my fault he wasn't fast enuff to out run the Roman Priks. Where was his father (God) during all That? But Not (Yet) a MUS LEEM!.;ISIS..hell that could stand for ALOT?
As in I'm STUPID..I'm STUPID..Get it ISIS!
Want MY Opinion from A REALIST? Know you Don't But..RELIGION is a SACK of SHITZ! Killers, Murderes,Thiefs & Hoes..In the Name of WHAT? Rest my CASE! Feel for Ya'll Hole EE Rollers..Still believe that God made all dis Chit in 7 Fukin Days? Dinosaurs are NOT REAL...Give me a BREAK..Science proved it! What has God PROVED? Absolutely NUTTIN HONEY CHUMPS!
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No no no ... ur all missing it. The reason their is a profit margin big enough to even invest in these drugs at all is because the god damn dumb americans will pay those astronomical prices.
That leaves the rest of the world just to pay normal prices.
The drug companies get to make obscene profits while really only screwing one country.
 

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No no no ... ur all missing it. The reason their is a profit margin big enough to even invest in these drugs at all is because the god damn dumb americans will pay those astronomical prices.
That leaves the rest of the world just to pay normal prices.
The drug companies get to make obscene profits while really only screwing one country.
I Wont & WE Don't..subsidized by JOE Momma care! not yousr Bro..Figga od Speech!
 

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Ya.... and the US also pays for our healthcare !!
Nope... US drug company's don't give Canada any breaks. Our tax dollars are used to subsidize the cost.
Plus our Dr's don't get kickbacks from the Pharmaceutical companys to push the "scripts " on patients.
Remember the internet Pharmacys and Americans getting cheap prescription drugs from Canada.
Why do you think that was shut down??
Our gov't seen it as 1. Unethical
and 2. Our taxes subsidize the prices ...for OUR citizens
No. No. No. How much does viagra cost up there ?
Its $40 or more down here ... uh $40 each pill. Do you think canada is paying pfzer 37$ for each pill while u happy canadians pay $3.
Is that exactly what u mean ? @Aloha ... i think i found out who stole ur stash.
 

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Something wrong with a society that thinks healthcare is a privilage,but a gun is a right.
Yep. Its called provide for yourself. Not be a subject to any crown. The right to a gun isnt a right to have a gun. It the right to own a gun. Thats the difference. Govt doesnt provide u with a gun.
 

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No. No. No. How much does viagra cost up there ?
Its $40 or more down here ... uh $40 each pill. Do you think canada is paying pfzer 37$ for each pill while u happy canadians pay $3.
Is that exactly what u mean ? @Aloha ... i think i found out who stole ur stash.
We use Cialix instead of Viagra lol!
Bottom line is your drug co hose the American people.
 

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Obviously they hose us ... because they hose us ... the rest of the world gets it reasonably priced.
I think pfizer uses viagra on the usa !
 

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All drug companies hose us. One year I got the flu and went to the clinic and the Nurse Practitioner said I can give you Tamiflu but it's expensive..I didn't have insurance because I was 2 months from leaving the country. I told her just give me the script, Tamiflu was $200 and the cough syrup she prescribed was like $60. Drug companies make money hand over fist.

I went to the doctor earlier this year for a check-up after getting insurance and he gave me a script for high blood pressure meds - 3 months supply- I paid $10 for it but the bag said insurance saved me over $600!
 

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Have a locally owned pharmacy that I clean, they helped out my dad with compounding lotion name based cancer cream over $800.they said call dr have him write script so they can use generic and gel base. Got my dad skin cancer gel treatment for $80 and some free services,

Same with mom had a stint put in meds were $1000/month got them under $20. Markups are insane. I live on the border so we can go to Mexico also for dental, vision and meds


Another note had a estimate for a hotel my tech got me than found out he underbid and got the job on his own.. No more tech and I'm happy being alone for time being would like help at nights but that's all
 

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Whooze Hey Souze..(Jesus) Died for MY SINS..Doubt That Seriously..wasn't born yet why should I Care?
Further more..I'm a FULL Blown Non Christ Like.Kinda a Guy..Not my fault he wasn't fast enuff to out run the Roman Priks. Where was his father (God) during all That? But Not (Yet) a MUS LEEM!.;ISIS..hell that could stand for ALOT?
As in I'm STUPID..I'm STUPID..Get it ISIS!
Want MY Opinion from A REALIST? Know you Don't But..RELIGION is a SACK of SHITZ! Killers, Murderes,Thiefs & Hoes..In the Name of WHAT? Rest my CASE! Feel for Ya'll Hole EE Rollers..Still believe that God made all dis Chit in 7 Fukin Days? Dinosaurs are NOT REAL...Give me a BREAK..Science proved it! What has God PROVED? Absolutely NUTTIN HONEY CHUMPS!
All do RESPECT tho Gents of the Cloth..If it keeps you from banging Young Small Children as your Preists do than Go For IT!
Have to completely disagree.
 

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WHAT WOULD YOU DO???

What would you do if someone that you’ve employed for 14 years, that you have treated and paid exceptionally well, set you up and stole half+ of your local clientele (and then goes on unemployment)…..??

I sure this has happened with other carpet cleaning companies. I’m looking for opinions and advise in an effort to move forward, as I still have my goals for this business and I still employ other people. That’s the just of it…

HERE’S THE LONG OF IT;

Prior to 2000 my business was 95% janitorial service that I had started entirely from scratch in 1987.

I was handling and building carpet cleaning portion of my business by myself while employing 4-6 in my janitorial business. Starting around 2002 upon seeing the profit margin and the happy customers, I decided to grow the carpet cleaning and put a tech in a truck. Enter Jake. Jake started working for me in 2000 doing the janitorial work. During 2002-2003 I gradually phased Jake from night time janitor to a fulltime daytime carpet cleaning tech. From 2003-2005 I was pulling about $1200 of my janitorial profit a month and investing that into my residential carpet cleaning, with Jake as my lead tech. Things went pretty well. We grew from $30000 to $90000 two years. I had invested a lot of time and training into Jake. By 2005 I had a lot of trust and confidence in him. So much so, that I Gave him %5 share of the entire company starting in 2006. (My biggest mistake). This came with added responsibility and the title of operation manager. Really he just ended up being a high paid carpet tech, a good one I would add.

By mid 2007 things began to become frustrating for me, as Jake was not fully honoring his additional responsibilities. We had 3-4 sit downs that year, always ending with the things I wanted to hear, you know the typical smooth over. I began to become unmotivated to grow the business, I also became too comfortable. After all things were running pretty smoothly, just not progressing like it should.

At times I would offer him another 5% of the company, this time at the price… $5000. By 2008, in my mind, that was off the table. That is, until I had had a personal, sudden tragedy in my life. So by the middle of 08 I sold him that additional 5%. Because I needed him in place, as I needed to step back. This didn’t come with any more responsibility for him just a chance to reiterate his position.

Growth was stagnant from then on. There is plenty of blame to go around. The economy, Jake had totally detached himself from the janitorial portion and his contractual responsibilities, all while he was still receiving his share of the profit. This led to much resentment on my part. But, he was still a good tech and I wasn’t ready to go full time in a truck and train a new tech. Ultimately though, I have to take the blame for the stagnant growth. After all I am the captain of the ship.

THINGS BEGAN TO UNRAVEL:

By late 2010 the economy hit the janitorial side pretty bad. I had pushed him to honor his contract with regards to the janitorial service. To a small degree he did so, begrudgingly. ..It was apparent, he wanted to just be a carpet cleaning tech. Jake didn’t want any of the peripheral responsibilities, However, he defiantly expected his compensation package. ( 32% commission on carpet jobs + $150 weekly salary + paid in full medical insurance + a 10% share of the net profit. I on the other hand only received 90% of the net profit). In retrospect, I feel like fool as I’m writing this. But he was a good tech and well liked. Resentments built up. With both sides. Not knowing what to do. I had initiated a few sit downs. Those felt good for only about a week. In march 2011, things came to a head. I had decided to restructure his contract and compensation. This new contract would completely separate the Janitorial and carpet cleaning portions of the business. Giving him 14% of the carpet cleaning portion and with me retaining all of the janitorial portion. His peripheral responsibilities would be totally related to the carpet cleaning portion only. I began to actually, finally make some money off the carpet cleaning. Though, he never did honor his peripheral responsibilities, but it was something I could live with. At least for a while.

NOW THE UGLY END:

He would complain about making less money

By mid 2012, I met with him to explained that in 3 years I’d be 50 and I would probably want sell my share(86% ) of the carpet cleaning in the next 2-5 years. I reminded him that he had first right of refusal and that he was first in line. Apparently this was huge mistake, as his attitude and actions changed from that point on. In retrospect, This is when he began in earnest to lay the foundation to poach as much as he could (as apposed to purchasing my interest.. Est. value $65000, without equipment. His actions considerably devalued the business as whole. Over the years, I went well above and beyond most employers for this guy. He broke his collarbone, I held his job for him, CPS took his kids, I gave him any time needed for numerous court appearances, his personal life was an ongoing train wreck. In March 2013, his wife had left him… again, so feeling sorry for him I maintained the status quo. That same month he came down with testicular cancer. He had it removed, was treated, his prognosis is extremely good and is cancer free to this day. While he was out (5-6 weeks), I covered the load working 12-15 hours a day, Paid his insurances, and profit share due to him. I also did a fund raiser, through my clientele. I raised thousands $$ for him. Once He came back to work I had another one of those sit down meetings and I had insisted that he honor his contract. Just a few weeks later he had demonstrated his unwillingness to honor his obligation to the contract and then bluntly lied to me about it. I was Done! I notified him that we need to terminate our partnership and he agreed to a buy out of just under $7000 for his 14% share. Contingent to this buy out, he signed a contract( for the second time) that stated that the clientele list was exclusively mine and that he could never use this list to start his own company. Here is my biggest mistake. Two weeks later, I agreed to hire him back as an employee. He worked for me another 8 months until it was just obvious that he was lining things up to start his own company. At that point I offered to sell him all or part of clientele in an attempt to mitigate the financial damage he could do. He strung me along, having me believe this would be a very amicable parting for us both. When it became obvious that he was backing out and he had already done enough for me to terminate him, I stopped giving him jobs. Of course he got right on unemployment. I found out later, he had 2 weeks before already had equipment, already started his business and began to knock on the doors of customers. Now 18 months has passed and I would estimate that he has made off with at least ½ of my local, high end clientele.

What Would you do from here if you were in my shoes????