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Mama Fen

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If I was a long-term thinking military strategist I'd want to test the reaction of a society facing a pandemic with a virus that doesn't present a huge threat.

After evaluating their responses and strategies; develop a new virus that flies against the logic and processes they used to defeat the test virus.

Know thy enemy.

Just all imaginative thinking, I don't think Coronavirus really is man-made.
Ever looked up Operation Sea-Spray, in the 50s? A real eye-opener, that one.

"Right now, our government is doing things we think only other countries do." - Van Halen
 
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Is it true that the Coronavirus is dangerous for older people?
Any viral or bacterial infection is more dangerous for the elderly, the very young, or the immune-compromised.
 

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A very real concern.

If Asia is producing the world's majority supply of 'widgets', and suddenly widget supply is interrupted, now every complex machine that needs widgets during its construction goes on hold too.

Add in kerblubbles, doodads, and thingamajigs, and suddenly production across multiple levels is disrupted.

Our own industry is already in EXTREMELY short supply of N-95 respirators, with most stock shipping overseas (or being kept there rather than importing to the US). Hazard suits and filters may be soon to follow.
 

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Reading many articles this CARONAVIRUS probably escaped from a bio-lab in Wuhan.

Don't think they did it on purpose....it can be transmitted airborn for 10-14 days without any symptoms....major problem.
They were infecting bats after the SARS virus and experimenting with the cornavirus.......

This article is a little technicle but it shows the caronavirus was created by man in the 1960's when they crossed human and animal(pig) tissue to try to discover a new virus.....

When men play GOD these things happen.....
The roots were already created by the Creator, men are using these roots to find new things and discoveries. Humans are not capable of creating things out of nothing.
 

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This and previous viruses could be a population control, viruses are always spread from these populated areas like asia or africa if you noticed it.
 

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The roots were already created by the Creator, men are using these roots to find new things and discoveries. Humans are not capable of creating things out of nothing.
Agree with only God creates things.....
but this world is corrupted with the sin of ADam and Eve....

Man needs to stop playing God ...trying to create or mutate viruses......
AIDS was traced back to monkeys as africans ate bushmeat monkeys or somehow infected them in central africa.....


In the late 1960s, Tyrrell was leading a group of virologists working with the human strains and a number of animal viruses. These included infectious bronchitis virus, mouse hepatitis virus and transmissible gastroenteritis virus of swine, all of which had been demonstrated to be morphologically the same as seen through electron microscopy.5,6 This new group of viruses was named coronavirus ......

Caronavirus was created by crossing human and pig flesh.....
Why did they create this...I have no idea.....????
but aparently there is no known cure for it....

I am reading where you can transmit this virus without any signs of the infection for up to 20-30 days.
 
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Caronavirus was created by crossing human and pig flesh.....
Why did they create this...I have no idea.....????
but aparently there is no known cure for it....

I am reading where you can transmit this virus without any signs of the infection for up to 20-30 days.
Please read more carefully to avoid the risk of spreading incorrect information.

Coronavirus existed in people long before it was identified by scientists.

It was not "created" by scientists mixing tissue samples from different species.

Microbiology simply doesn't work like that.


By cultivating different types of existing coronavirus from different species, scientists were able to see similarities in their construction that, in turn, allowed them to classify them as a family of viruses.

The knowledge that these different viruses had similar characteristics also allowed them to begin the process of creating vaccines against this group of viruses.

What you are reading there is not an expose into the danger of madmen playing God.

Rather, it is a scientific explanation of how a group of scientists identified an existing pathogen, used animal tissue to determine that there are multiple types of this pathogen that affect multiple types of host animals, and using that information to educate the public on what causes illness and how to prevent it.
 
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In fact, human DNA has some percentage of VIRAL DNA, so there is some suggestion that Viruses may actually have been or continue to be an important part of our evolution as a species.
 

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In fact, human DNA has some percentage of VIRAL DNA, so there is some suggestion that Viruses may actually have been or continue to be an important part of our evolution as a species.
It would not be overstating things to say that, were it not for viruses, human beings would not exist at all. For example, retroviral DNA is still found today in enverin, an important protein without which pregnancy in human women would be much more precarious (if not impossible).
 
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@Mama Fen

Thank you for being a sound voice of reason on this thread.
Our biggest risk as this virus moves towards us here in the states is PANIC.
If/when the moment of public awakening and panic does occur it / IF it occurs, will disrupt our just in time deliveries at grocery stores for a few weeks until they can fill the supply chain back out.
 

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Its definitely raising some interesting conversations regarding the excess of tourism and ease of global travel in our times. Still, I think as long as you're in good health its nothing to worry about too much.
 

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Not to sound horrible, but let's look at numbers for a moment... (sorry, Mama's had some coffee and is in introspective mode; if you're bored, just ignore, lol)



The world holds around 7.5 billion people right now.



If coronavirus became a true pandemic and hit EVERYONE on the globe, and we continue to see a mortality rate of 2%, we'd lose about 150 million people total to this bug initially.



To put it into perspective, this is the same number of folks we lose to heart disease each year, give or take.


And let's think about the long view, IF the initial outbreak of novel corona continues unchecked:

As immune response develops, vaccines are generated, and the numbers taper off, we can reasonably assume that death rates would decrease by 50%-60% per annum. The coronavirus would likely, at most, become a temporary seasonal bug much like flu or the common cold within five to ten years. We will take OTC medications to get rid of it, and we'll be hard-pressed to get the day off from work ("whaddaya mean, he's called out sick? It's just corona!")

The plagues of old posted similar numbers of deaths, but much more quickly and with total populations much lower than what we have currently. A loss of 150 million people in the 1300s would have been far different from what it is today; Europe lost about HALF of its total population to the Black Plague in a number of weeks, which threw its economy into utter chaos. The region took several hundred years to recover.

Given their high rate of mortality, and the difficulty of long-distance travel, the historic plagues stayed much more localized and burned through urbanized populations more quickly, thus creating their own 'quarantines' within geographic areas. Quite simply, they hit so hard and fast that most people were too sick or too scared to travel or congregate much.

Today's advances in medicine mean that far more people will survive a corona pandemic than would have survived it several hundred years ago. This is balanced out by the fact that the virus can be transmitted anywhere in the world in 24 hours or so.

But the biggest long-term impact of the virus, if it burns through the entire human population and does its worst, will not be on health - it will be on the economy.

Production will slow down, prices will inflate, and we'll have a bit of a re-organization of priorities. Less knick-knacks and doo-dads and flashy techhy gizmos will be produced as resources are rationed out to provide for necessities (food, shelter, transportation) rather than amenities (entertainment).

That doesn't strike me as a totally BAD thing.

(Oddly enough, the Black Plague had some tremendous positive long-term effects on us when it was over. Wages went up since the labor pool had shrunk, and workers could now demand better conditions. And lands that had been plowed over and cultivated underwent a period of re-forestation for almost 200 years, resulting in a re-stabilizing of the environment. We are overcrowded, and perhaps such a minor thinning of the herd would not be a total disaster. Maybe Mother Nature knows what she's doing when she unleashes these things... )