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Here is a live video on my perspective about pathogens of all types. With so much talk, restrictions and confusion figured I'd make a simple short video of how I explain it to my techs and clients. If you have anything to add please do so.

 
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Here is a live video on my perspective about pathogens of all types. With so much talk, restrictions and confusion figured I'd make a simple short video of how I explain it to my techs and clients. If you have anything to add please do so.

Rob, no matter how fine your vids are( I like the quality and presentation) this is a hard one . To my knowledge and based on 10+ years of cooperation with Ecolab, they have the best disinfectants and cleaning products on market supported by years of lab tests and backed by many years in business ( more then 100 years). When we have first approved vaccine on market, than I know we'll have approved disinfectants. Until than, it's a guessing game. Chemist, microbiologist and other specialists may speculate ( as they do) what would be most fitting, but IMO Maquat line and Odoban are in the same category right now, so to speak ...
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Here is a live video on my perspective about pathogens of all types. With so much talk, restrictions and confusion figured I'd make a simple short video of how I explain it to my techs and clients. If you have anything to add please do so.

Nothing wrong with what you said, but if label on ever changing lines( Microban) , Contec, Mediclean says Disinfectant, can't you claim that your applying disinfectant

Disinfection: A procedure of treatment that eliminates many or all pathogenic microorganisms with the exception of bacterial spores. Germicide: An agent that destroys microorganisms, particularly pathogenic microorganisms. ... Sanitization: The process of reducing microbial contamination to an acceptable “safe” level.

I'm not dissecting your words, but if we play your video word by word, would it be in sync with article I shared with you.
So confusing and I'm stressing out, not on your part. Your doing what you deem is best for your company. Is it enough for any carpet cleaning company? That's a million dollar question...
 

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Nothing wrong with what you said, but if label on ever changing lines( Microban) , Contec, Mediclean says Disinfectant, can't you claim that your applying disinfectant

Disinfection: A procedure of treatment that eliminates many or all pathogenic microorganisms with the exception of bacterial spores. Germicide: An agent that destroys microorganisms, particularly pathogenic microorganisms. ... Sanitization: The process of reducing microbial contamination to an acceptable “safe” level.

I'm not dissecting your words, but if we play your video word by word, would it be in sync with article I shared with you.
So confusing and I'm stressing out, not on your part. Your doing what you deem is best for your company. Is it enough for any carpet cleaning company? That's a million dollar question...
One cannot claim disinfection on a soft porous surface. One can ONLY claim to sanitize. The labels on virtually all commercial antimicrobials are very clear on this.

To be on the safe side, we are recommending that any restoration companies who have chosen to offer this service stick to using the term sanitize and not disinfect.

And frankly, I am recommending that my carpet guys not offer this service at all, because any claims (perceived or genuine) put them at risk for liabilities which their insurance and training doesn't cover. I'm asking them to stick to what they know - cleaning - and leave the rest of it to people already trained in this stuff.

Plus most of them have virtually NO proper PPE or know how to wear it properly, and good luck getting your hands on any right now.

If you thought toilet paper shortage was bad, imagine the shortages on necessary equipment when 5,000 carpet cleaners start scrambling trying to get their hands on products that would normally be used only for sewage losses, trauma cleanup, and other biohazard remediation jobs.

Leave this work, and the tools necessary to do it properly, in the hands of people who are trained and covered for it.

Just my two cents as a supplier. I see a lot of guys who ought NOT be handling this trying to do so, because their usual business is slow. While I understand the desire to make a living, I cannot in good conscience help them to risk their lives, and the lives of their customers, to make money. Nor do I have the time, tools, or wherewithal to train them all to do it.

People are asking for this service right now because they're frightened, and no matter what words you use their perception is that you're going to be "protecting them from the virus"... which you cannot do.
 

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One cannot claim disinfection on a soft porous surface. One can ONLY claim to sanitize. The labels on virtually all commercial antimicrobials are very clear on this.

To be on the safe side, we are recommending that any restoration companies who have chosen to offer this service stick to using the term sanitize and not disinfect.

And frankly, I am recommending that my carpet guys not offer this service at all, because any claims (perceived or genuine) put them at risk for liabilities which their insurance and training doesn't cover. I'm asking them to stick to what they know - cleaning - and leave the rest of it to people already trained in this stuff.

Plus most of them have virtually NO proper PPE or know how to wear it properly, and good luck getting your hands on any right now.

If you thought toilet paper shortage was bad, imagine the shortages on necessary equipment when 5,000 carpet cleaners start scrambling trying to get their hands on products that would normally be used only for sewage losses, trauma cleanup, and other biohazard remediation jobs.

Leave this work, and the tools necessary to do it properly, in the hands of people who are trained and covered for it.

Just my two cents as a supplier. I see a lot of guys who ought NOT be handling this trying to do so, because their usual business is slow. While I understand the desire to make a living, I cannot in good conscience help them to risk their lives, and the lives of their customers, to make money. Nor do I have the time, tools, or wherewithal to train them all to do it.

People are asking for this service right now because they're frightened, and no matter what words you use their perception is that you're going to be "protecting them from the virus"... which you cannot do.
Good info but a little, and I say a little over reaction. Anti microbials have a janitorial/cleaning EPA exemption, even a slight pesticide exemption with pyrethrums.

Consider MB X580 for example. This is why cleaners have been using them and can still use them to this day in conjunction with cleaning making no kill claims. It’s simple and effective language. The problem is getting your hands on them during this crisis. We sold out in 2 hours but kept enough back for our cleaning company.
 
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And clean surfaces are much more difficult for pathogens to survive on. Adding an anti microbial even more so. Cleanliness has led to longer life spans over all and is next to godliness.
 
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Good info but a little, and I say a little over reaction. Anti microbials have a janitorial/cleaning EPA exemption, even a slight pesticide exemption with pyrethrums.

Consider MB X580 for example. This is why cleaners have been using them and can still use them to this day in conjunction with cleaning making no kill claims. It’s simple and effective language. The problem is getting your hands on them during this crisis. We sold out in 2 hours but kept enough back for our cleaning company.
To be fair, since you're using X-590 as an example; if you had a local carpet fellow using this product, making a claim against fleas and bed bugs, and you knew for a fact he didn't have his exterminator's license, wouldn't you give him a little talking-to if you were given the chance?

Since YOU have put in the effort and money to provide this service, and can do so legally in your state, wouldn't you be a little aggravated by a fellow who did the same thing you do but without going through the proper legal channels?

X-590 does, however, provide a perfect example of how important product labels are. Note these two parts of the label:

"AS A MILDEWCIDE, FUNGICIDE AND BROAD SPECTRUM DISINFECTANT: For use on pre-cleaned hard non-porous surfaces...

...For use as a bacteriostat, fungistat and deodorizing agent on carpeting found in schools, hotels, motels, homes, shelters, commercial, industrial and public buildings. After flood or water damage, vacuum or extract as much water as possible before application. Apply full strength with sprayer until moist to carpet nap and rake or brush in. To treat the backing and padding a fogger is recommended. Allow to remain until dry. For best results, carpets should be cleaned before application."

See the difference? On a clean dry hard surface, it is a -cide, or kill agent. On soft surfaces, it is only a -stat. The claim changes, based on the surface being treated.
 
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To be fair, since you're using X-590 as an example; if you had a local carpet fellow using this product, making a claim against fleas and bed bugs, and you knew for a fact he didn't have his exterminator's license, wouldn't you give him a little talking-to if you were given the chance?

Since YOU have put in the effort and money to provide this service, and can do so legally in your state, wouldn't you be a little aggravated by a fellow who did the same thing you do but without going through the proper legal channels?

X-590 does, however, provide a perfect example of how important product labels are. Note these two parts of the label:

"AS A MILDEWCIDE, FUNGICIDE AND BROAD SPECTRUM DISINFECTANT: For use on pre-cleaned hard non-porous surfaces...

...For use as a bacteriostat, fungistat and deodorizing agent on carpeting found in schools, hotels, motels, homes, shelters, commercial, industrial and public buildings. After flood or water damage, vacuum or extract as much water as possible before application. Apply full strength with sprayer until moist to carpet nap and rake or brush in. To treat the backing and padding a fogger is recommended. Allow to remain until dry. For best results, carpets should be cleaned before application."

See the difference? On a clean dry hard surface, it is a -cide, or kill agent. On soft surfaces, it is only a -stat. The claim changes, based on the surface being treated.
It’s all summed up in the label, language and ethics.
 

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One cannot claim disinfection on a soft porous surface. One can ONLY claim to sanitize. The labels on virtually all commercial antimicrobials are very clear on this.

To be on the safe side, we are recommending that any restoration companies who have chosen to offer this service stick to using the term sanitize and not disinfect.

And frankly, I am recommending that my carpet guys not offer this service at all, because any claims (perceived or genuine) put them at risk for liabilities which their insurance and training doesn't cover. I'm asking them to stick to what they know - cleaning - and leave the rest of it to people already trained in this stuff.

Plus most of them have virtually NO proper PPE or know how to wear it properly, and good luck getting your hands on any right now.

If you thought toilet paper shortage was bad, imagine the shortages on necessary equipment when 5,000 carpet cleaners start scrambling trying to get their hands on products that would normally be used only for sewage losses, trauma cleanup, and other biohazard remediation jobs.

Leave this work, and the tools necessary to do it properly, in the hands of people who are trained and covered for it.

Just my two cents as a supplier. I see a lot of guys who ought NOT be handling this trying to do so, because their usual business is slow. While I understand the desire to make a living, I cannot in good conscience help them to risk their lives, and the lives of their customers, to make money. Nor do I have the time, tools, or wherewithal to train them all to do it.

People are asking for this service right now because they're frightened, and no matter what words you use their perception is that you're going to be "protecting them from the virus"... which you cannot do.
I completely agree.

There's a network going around offering products to kill coronavirus. and pushing so hard on me to jump on the bandwagon. But I know better than that. Be safe people. If you have training and know exactly what youre doing then fine. But lets be honest the majority of us dont. I also have told many of my bay area fellow cleaners to be extremely careful on using the disinfecting carpet and upholstery term. You are risking a high liability if you cannot deliver, unless you have actual scientific data to prove what your saying.

I ran out of disinfectant in which I normally use after rinsing my tools after usage. I cant find any. Thank God I purchased a bunch of bleach way before this epidemic. and so I am mixing bleach with water per mfg instructions for disinfecting surfaces. Thank GOD the majority of my tools are stainless so hardly any harm will come to the metal. But I am not using bleach on any carpet or rug or upholstery.
 

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Be safe out there. Gonna add this to the cleaning injury thread. Using alcohol sanitizer by a stove is never a good idea.

alcohol sanitizer fire.jpg
 

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well now that network is using the term "removes coronavirus" and This ingredient just got added to the EPA chems/solutions that remove the COVID-19.

All I can say is that A LOT I mean A LOT of people are going to lie, and or say anything that that they can say to sell and make money. We as professionals MUST be professionals and see thru this.

Cleaning your hands will remove the virus, keeping surfaces that may be contaminated and wiping them down with a alcohol based product with a minimum of 60% or a approved disinfectant.

Hard surfaces are easier to disinfect, soft or porous surface are much more difficult and take a lot more product, driving not only cost but also draining your supply. In other words
it isnt as easy as theyre making it sound/seem to be.

Think, use the brain in your head.