Cat 1XP pumps

[goomer]

Troubleshooting a Pumptec 205 on another thread made me realize how important it is to be familiar with your porty pump system.

With having to fix and rebuild 205 pump and motor sets more times than I would have liked, I was pretty confident that any future issue I might have would be able to dealt with efficiently, which is a very good thing, because the first time for anyone is never fun.

I am realizing that in regards to my new machine with a 1XP cat pump, I will again be in the dark if a problem should arise.

These Cat pumps will likely continue to eat up more market share from the proven 205's.

They are still too new to have begun to show their first-to-likely-fail wear components, but as the units out there age, so it will begin and the troubleshooting will begin.

Anyone have to fook with one of these yet?

 

[goomer]

First step would be looking into availability of rebuild kits if they exist.

 

[seagrtj]

They exist. These pumps are just as easy to work on as a pumptec, maybe easier. The design is superior IMO. It's Cat pump, they have always made solid pumps. Mfg's will be slow to convert due to price point.

 

[Qwikdry]

I have a Cat 1xp150 pump 600 psi, at 1.5 gpm works awesome, very nicely made pump

 

[goomer]

They exist. These pumps are just as easy to work on as a pumptec, maybe easier. The design is superior IMO. It's Cat pump, they have always made solid pumps. Mfg's will be slow to convert due to price point.

I agree that the quality is there, but from a basic operator standpoint, my main interest is in what the first common failures will be, and what to be prepared for.

I am familiar enough with a 205's to likely figure out any problems, but in the dark with these Cat's, and anyone who has one should be concerned, because although they are quality pumps, all in service right now are new, and failures will become more common as time goes by and the units in the field start to log hours approaching or exceeding certain component lifespans.

The investigation begins at the rebuild kits.

What kind of links/info is out there relative to the rebuild kits?

One kit?...Two kits?

What components do they include?

What are the specific symptoms of a particular components failure in these pumps?

 

[Bob Savage]

For over 3 decades all I have used were Cat and Pumptec pumps.

The Pumptec 207 is better than the 205. I think they quit making the 205.

I have a Cat pump (#290) that is 33 years old and still my daily pump (has over 23,000 hours on it). At 3.5 GPM it can supply 2 wands, each at 6 flow (total 12 flow), with not being able to tell if both wands are keyed at the same time. IOW there is no pressure drop when the second wand is keyed.

The 207 is very easy to re-build. I have it set up for chemical draw and self-priming. The Cat is also very easy to re-build.

That new small Cat pump looks like a winner though.

 

[goomer]

you guys are stressing your sphincters again thinking too much about nothing

For over 3 decades all I have used were Cat and Pumptec pumps.

The Pumptec 207 is better than the 205. I think they quit making the 205.

I have a Cat pump (#290) that is 33 years old and still my daily pump (has over 23,000 hours on it). At 3.5 GPM it can supply 2 wands, each at 6 flow (total 12 flow), with not being able to tell if both wands are keyed at the same time. IOW there is no pressure drop when the second wand is keyed.

The 207 is very easy to re-build. I have it set up for chemical draw and self-priming. The Cat is also very easy to re-build.

That new small Cat pump looks like a winner though.

Yea, meant 207's, not 205's.

I have done enough pressure washing to be familiar with what pushing 3.5+gpm is like.

Not surprised it handles 2 wands like a champ.

 

[goomer]

So they utilize bearings of different off-sets.

I wonder what cam is being used by Mytee to drive the Cat?

Seals, inlet valve, and discharge valve are the primary group of wearable components.

 

[goomer]

Looks like Mytee is using the #6 cam.

These cams look solid and without bearings like the cams that drive the Pumptecs which eventually implode.

That's a very good thing.

 

[Jim Davisson]

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Looks like Mytee is using the #6 cam.

These cams look solid and without bearings like the cams that drive the Pumptecs which eventually implode.

That's a very good thing.

Have you checked the actual flow through your system with your pump with different lengths of hose? Are you getting stated throughput with your machine?

On my CDS at 175' of live reel solution line I get slightly more with open flow than at pressure with a 7 flow wand using ¼" Neptune hose. However, with 50' of the same Neptune solution hose connected directly to the panel, I have a ¼ gallon more open flow per minute, the length of hose affects total flow and pressure at the tool.

I think these lab numbers list on all pumps are quoting perfect conditions and not taking into account if the pump is pressure fed, gravity fed, prefilters, length of hose, 90° fittings, larger size of post pump fittings to overcome friction loss, solution line filters, etc... That we see on the job.

 

[Qwikdry]

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Looks like Mytee is using the #6 cam.

These cams look solid and without bearings like the cams that drive the Pumptecs which eventually implode.

That's a very good thing.

i have this exact pump. 1xp150, the 1.5gpm pump. it's a great pump. at long lengths it maintains great pressure.

 

[Jim Davisson]

Russ, have you measured your actual gallons per minute with it?

 

[Qwikdry]

no, i haven't tested the gpm

 

[goomer]

Have you checked the actual flow through your system with your pump with different lengths of hose? Are you getting stated throughput with your machine?

On my CDS at 175' of live reel solution line I get slightly more with open flow than at pressure with a 7 flow wand using ¼" Neptune hose. However, with 50' of the same Neptune solution hose connected directly to the panel, I have a ¼ gallon more open flow per minute, the length of hose affects total flow and pressure at the tool.

I think these lab numbers list on all pumps are quoting perfect conditions and not taking into account if the pump is pressure fed, gravity fed, prefilters, length of hose, 90° fittings, larger size of post pump fittings to overcome friction loss, solution line filters, etc... That we see on the job.

No, but I would only test a shorter run to get an idea of actual flow at that length.

I don't run long runs to where it would make a difference other than just curiosity.

I guess a little drop is to be expected at long runs since more water has to be displaced inside the hose.

 

[Kingdomcome84]

 

[Jim Davisson]

What type of o-rings? Sometimes merely switching to viton o-rings will increase the inlet temperature the pump can operate at.