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[Andrew Johnston]

To paraphrase an ex President... "it depends what your definition of the term 'optical brightener' is..."

 

[Andrew Johnston]

Does SS Code Red contain the kinds of optical brighteners that can harm carpet fibres?

 

[Andrew Duckworth]

This strikes home to me because I had a customer yesterday that scrutinize my chemicals for urine and for cleaning and I showed her all of what I had including other brands and she opted for your products over everybody else’s given what the label had said

 

[Andrew Duckworth]

She was adamant about not having optical brighteners in her Carpet because of her newborn child.

 

[Andrew Duckworth]

True story

 

[Rodney Ray Rapp]

Stay strong rob Everybody should make their own independent opinion on chemicals equipment etc. you are just informing the populace it is up to them to do their own research and make their own decisions as a company

 

[Rodney Ray Rapp]

Is it really about help in this world or is it about greed use it boils down to greed I’ve been doing perfectly fine for 35 years without any help from anyone or anybody I have a problem I research it I call lab I call my own chemist there’s plenty of manufactures that will let you talk to their chemist

 

[Anthony Rodriguez]

Wow major blow to that man's reputation. Not the way to be a leader ..

 

[Sam Miller]

It not a Saiger product

 

[Mitch Allaman]

Yup. You've "made it" to get that kind of time and effort

All good info for us as cleaners

 

[Roger Loghry Loghry]

That is why they took optical brightners out of our cleaning products

 

[Speed Kleen]

Pasquale Cantore

 

[Ken Kaplan]

This is clearly deceptive business practices
I would've just announced we no longer will be using it and just admit it, what's the big deal why the cover up?

 

[Erik Hiltz]

Robert Allen I don't know anything about chemistry, you're asking the wrong guy. You are more than welcome to go to %!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**!%!*@%%**! and defend your position yourself if you feel there's a problem......Marks one of the best guys I know and he wouldn't intentionally deceive anyone.

 

[Robert Allen]

For the record I never said who had and did not have OB's. Only pointed out labels. I then stated "label descriptions" had changed since my article. As the article stated, OB's go by many names and synonyms or derivatives that "could" be misleading. My suggestion is take your product and use a UV light to determine if it fluoresces.

 

[Grant J Schmidt]

When an unbiased chemist posts what their results are about presprays I will take notice. As far as I’m concerned this is just a pissing match between a couple of guys who are measuring penises

 

[Josue Batalla]

I really thought this post was going to get out of control quickly. Maybe everyone else is still working. I shall check back later.

 

[Bill Schuh]

That wrong. We are all adults. Did mason add you back. I added you as a friend

 

[Andrew Johnston]

I'm pretty saddened by this whole drama thing the past while. I've given Code Red a try the past while and like it just fine, and been told it contains no optical brighteners and nothing that would harm carpet.

I'm naive as h*ll and I tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, so when I hear this stuff about a product description changing I can actually buy the whole "It was improperly described on the website before" narrative. That's not surprising to me, sh*t happens and people make mistakes. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory or a malicious thing to blatantly obfuscate or deceive.

Just because something lightens up under a UV doesn't mean it has an "optical brightener" which can cause the kinds of damage to fibres like the old school OB's used to do. Urine lights up and no one here would call that an optical brightener in the same sense as an old school OB. Definitions matter.

Having said all that I want to know the actual results of Rob's Top 50 pre-spray tests I'm too lazy to do all that heavy lifting myself but for years I've used the same products and I would love to know how they stack up to the others in his test. I'm also holding my breath for TMF to ship to Canada so I can try out these great products for myself.

Maybe I just wish we could all get along lmao

 

[Jacob Jones]

They sent you an email stating what happened. Care to post it?