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Here is a friend of MP and insiders look at the RMH charity trade show. Listen to him, Shane Duebell, John Lab, Les Jones and Ken/Lisa Jordan to name a few. We know that MP has never liked me since I started TMF and has disparaged our name since. As John Labarbra told me many years back "Mike will never like you and will try to destroy your name and TMF because you rained in his parade making a better forum". Take it for what it's worth...
Sam Miller
Visual Storyteller · May 1 at 1:10 AM
You Know we have internet personalities.
JOE B public enemy 101 savior of $100 glide and Trinkets galore.
Robert Allen mikeys nemesis and the bastard to many.
Also loved by many.
Mike Pailliotet THE ONE AND ONLY author of right and wrong and king of subterfuge.
I'll tell one story only, a public tale of one's own opinion, Mikes son had a bad experience with a customer whose son was special needs.
The special needs son was a teenager.
For some reason a complaint was launched that day Mike was upset about the special needs kid.
And that He should've been aborted..
JhC people thats why they have amniocentesis.
Well another board member CU or objected because he has a daughter he loves and with Mikeys reasoning should've been aborted.
MIKE DOUBLES DOWN AND continues his reasoning waste of tax payer money blah blah blah.
It was a moment I knew he was upset the customer lashed out at his son.
But he let his anger get the best of him
And it damaged other relationships at the same time.
When we soap box on the internet acting as though our morality is king, and others should just buy what we sell, or we will talk badly about them and promote competitive products who will pay to play.
There's a problem. I'm not willing to sell a friend out one day for a another with more money to spend..
If we're friends we are friends.
If I have a customer who uses another service I don't hate the customer.
I try to win them back.
I hate seeing people claim integrity and selling friends out for a buck.
As Mikey would say about Joe B you're next to get fired if you deal with him.
I would say if you pay for ads on mike ee board you're next to get betrayed if you stop paying.
There's a long list of his so called friends that aren't friends anymore.
I just don't understand with all the free press on Facebook?
Why would an advertiser pay to play???????
Rob is smart he's on Facebook and has a one stop shop sells everything.
JOE B COULDN'T figure the internet out.
There's one board who sells machines and ads with philanthropy and spins it we're the good guys.
All while seriously killing their own who step out of line.
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Sam Miller
Visual Storyteller · May 1 at 1:10 AM
You Know we have internet personalities.
JOE B public enemy 101 savior of $100 glide and Trinkets galore.
Robert Allen mikeys nemesis and the bastard to many.
Also loved by many.
Mike Pailliotet THE ONE AND ONLY author of right and wrong and king of subterfuge.
I'll tell one story only, a public tale of one's own opinion, Mikes son had a bad experience with a customer whose son was special needs.
The special needs son was a teenager.
For some reason a complaint was launched that day Mike was upset about the special needs kid.
And that He should've been aborted..
JhC people thats why they have amniocentesis.
Well another board member CU or objected because he has a daughter he loves and with Mikeys reasoning should've been aborted.
MIKE DOUBLES DOWN AND continues his reasoning waste of tax payer money blah blah blah.
It was a moment I knew he was upset the customer lashed out at his son.
But he let his anger get the best of him
And it damaged other relationships at the same time.
When we soap box on the internet acting as though our morality is king, and others should just buy what we sell, or we will talk badly about them and promote competitive products who will pay to play.
There's a problem. I'm not willing to sell a friend out one day for a another with more money to spend..
If we're friends we are friends.
If I have a customer who uses another service I don't hate the customer.
I try to win them back.
I hate seeing people claim integrity and selling friends out for a buck.
As Mikey would say about Joe B you're next to get fired if you deal with him.
I would say if you pay for ads on mike ee board you're next to get betrayed if you stop paying.
There's a long list of his so called friends that aren't friends anymore.
I just don't understand with all the free press on Facebook?
Why would an advertiser pay to play???????
Rob is smart he's on Facebook and has a one stop shop sells everything.
JOE B COULDN'T figure the internet out.
There's one board who sells machines and ads with philanthropy and spins it we're the good guys.
All while seriously killing their own who step out of line.
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Jeremy Parr Woah! -
Robert Allen There are a lot of personalities in any industry. Howard Partridge, Joe Polish, Larry Cooper and many more have shaped the industry through the decades. The internet is now creating new personalities. A few, including myself, have overlapped with both. It's been interesting and will continue to be so in the future.
Jamie Cooper you have the public image, then every once in a while you get to see the real man behind the curtain.....
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Robert Allen It’s always rich one self proclaims themselves as a “professional bs sniffer” but can’t smell their own bs. What do we expect tho, not like we’re higher educated Dr’s, Scientists or Philanthropist’s.
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Sam Miller
I don't have a problem with the Ronald mcdonald house cleanings, great place to learn and try and demo all the latest greatest equipment.
I do have a probable when you sell 80 tickets make $8000.
Some other parties sponsors lunch and or drinks....
The hotel space is paid for by volunteers cleaners cleaning the hotel.
And every aspect is turned into gold.
Its a great business model.
My complaint is when a small mom and pop clean these facilities and charge for the service, get shamed for charging...
There's been a few cleanings that didn't involve money just cleaning of a facility.
But for the most part someone gets paid.
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Robert Allen Sam Miller Lisa K Jordan and Ken Jordan come to mind for using green chemistry around compromised health children and avoiding big corp agendas.
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Jeremy Parr Sam Miller what? They make money off of it?
Lisa K Jordan Jeremy Parr Absolutely not! We do not make a DIME off the cleanings we do, no one does. We do not charge anyone to come to our cleaning events, and we spent money out of our own pockets to create a charitable organization, including paying for the fictitious name registration, 501 c 3 paperwork, domain registration and more. Our organization cleaned 4 different RMH locations in 2019, and we did 2 in 2020 before the shut down.
- Plus, we cleaned a center for foster and adoptive children and families, and a pregnancy care center all for free. We've been cleaning RMH Tampa for 6 years now, and St Pete for 4, and the manager of one of the St Pete locations called us in between their regular cleanings to ask how much we would charge her to go out and clean a couple of rooms for her (she runs the transplant rooms) e charged her nothing.
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Doug Payne Honestly, I don't care if someone does make money off it... That's what we are here for..
BUT
Be up front about it... Don't try to hide it, or claim it's for this or that...
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Joel Riggs Really disappointing Sam. Nobody has to pay to be involved in the cleaning at any of the Mikeys fests.
The paying is for the mini trade show/classes. The day after.
Ken Jordan Lisa K Jordan making money in any way shape or form off of a charity event is just plain wrong, we will never charge , it’s not about us, it will never be any kind of fest, it’s about the cleaners giving back to those that need it most, we all have expenses and we all pay our own, that’s what we are about,
Ken Jordan Joel Riggs venders are not paid
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Ken Jordan Robert Allen that is totally correct
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Joel Riggs That's not what Sam is saying.
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Robert Allen Ken Jordan it used to be an event from the heart. Some have turned it into a ruse for vendor promotion. They block out any vendor whose not an advertiser or who questions the safety of cleaning agents used for example. Really it should be open to all whose heart inclines them. Fortunately people like you and Lisa still exist even though the vendor based events are scheduled purposely close to your dates to detract from your efforts. We thank you for all that you do.
Sam Miller
Jeremy Parr mikeys does in some cases which I don't mind.
I mind he pontificates that others who take on large projects by themselves and can't affford to work a week for free would dare charge to do it.
I'm pretty sure he's never had to come out of pocket to clean anything.
Lisa and Ken have a another group that cleans houses to all volunteer work.
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Meg Montgomery Burdick Sam Miller I hesitate to jump into this, as I am very vested in the events and the RMH charity and do my best to stay out of the politics part of it...I just want to my thing and not get caught up in all this, but I just had to speak up on this....
I have to ask, where/when did Mike pontificate others who charged?
I know there have been recent posts n the pagesby Mike and myself asking cleaners to provide a total for any services they have donated to RMH over the years. The intent of this is not to out or shame anyone that does charge. No problems or issues with those that get paid for cleaning ANY sort of non-profit. The reason this has been asked is because RMHC has asked us for this information for a promotion at an upcoming event to recognize those in the industry that have provided services free of charge. While impossible to get an exact dollar amount, we are doing out best to tally what we do know and provide them the information.
As far as charging people to clean the RMH as part of a Mikey's Fest Event, that does not happen. I personally manage the registrations for the events to make sure everyone is accounted for, has waivers (required by the houses) and name tags. Those that participate in the cleaning day only, DO NOT PAY to do so. They are provided lunch/snacks and a T shirt. The charge for the event is for the educational day/days. This is optional, but many see the value in paying to participate in this part of the Fest and are willing to pay for it. This has been said numerous times before and I'm not sure why the confusion or debate around this part of it continues. The educational/vendor/speaker part is no different than any other industry trade show/event that charges people to participate to get information, hear speakers and network. It seems as if the issue lies in the fact this Fest "event" is tied to a charity event as well and that blurs the lines for some people who believe the charity part is being used to profit.
Sam Miller
Meg Montgomery Burdick on his board where you're banned by Fred
Meg Montgomery Burdick Sam Miller Well.....I guess I made my point of that’s all you have to respond with. What does that have to do with any of this?
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Joel Riggs Ken Jordan why are you mentioning me with your comment about vendors?
Sam Miller
Meg Montgomery Burdick sorry i'am working and driving ill read it all later and respond better
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Lisa K Jordan Robert Allen Mikey had vendors and fees from the beginning of his RMH events, I helped him with the first 2 in St Pete if you recall. My events never involve a fee, no one makes any money. I don't have vendors, but we do get equipment and chemicals donated to use and sell to make money for RMH.
Lisa K Jordan Sam Miller Thank you. Yes, the cleanings I run are all volunteer. We don't have vendors or classes, but you do get to work alongside some cleaners who have been around a long time, and who have lots of experience, and we get get great people like Robert Allen who donate chemicals for us to use and on line classes that we auction off to raise money for RMH. And we have no issue with people who want to attend other cleaning events, we don't belittle or berate them, or pull "scholarships" from them because they want to attend another event.
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Ken Jordan Joel Riggs when we cleaned For the St Pete house the classes offered were not paid for, he picked a few carpet cleaners from FB to speak and they were not paid, we cleaned the hotel In Exchange for the meeting space to speak in , let’s be clear there is no justification for charging people to attend a charity event for the privilege of cleaning when they are paying all their expenses anyway , I have heard from other venders as of late that he charges them to speak, We helped him organize his event in St Pete the first 2 years and we paid ourselves , that’s when we found out that the money did not go to anything we paid for our rooms,all of us paid for our lunches , so I asked him where did the money go? I never got an answer, This was never our intention , those who want to pay for working for free be my guest , but we will never charge , spin it the way you want , we started the RMH cleanings in Tampa 6 years ago and introduced him to the RMH houses, glad he is doing more cleanings , but I don’t buy into charging a fee! Speakers are not of Calibre to be paid, being popular on FB is far from expertise , popularity is not a measuring tool for expertise
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Shane Deubell Oh the irony. ..... I remember that gem.
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Meg Montgomery Burdick Seems to me his question about charging was to determine if that should be included in the total or not.
How you interpreted that to imply he was shaming or pontificating is really a stretch. But, I suppose everyone is entitled to their own perception of what someone meant by asking a question.....
Sam Miller
Meg Montgomery Burdick you know Mike is the king of vagueness on purpose.
All we can do is read into it
I assumed when he said, you were correct. He was saying its a sin by my first comment.
He could always clarify his position. If I'm wrong ill apologize
Meg Montgomery Burdick Certainly a fault of Mike, I have that conversation with him practically daily about how he isn't always clear or effective at clarifying what he means.....and how it frequently leads to misinterpretation.
That being said....you have some ownership in taking it and running with it without getting clarification and making your own assumptions and perpetuating this....
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Robert Allen Samyou do realize you are opening yourself up to be vilified, defamation against your name and ostracism for speaking up right?
Lisa K Jordan Yes, I bet he's already being vilified on another page
Sam Miller
Robert Allen but will still be friends
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Shane Deubell This is awesome, the guy promoting himself to save sick/disabled kids also thinks they should be thrown in the trash because they aren't useful to society.
Good grief
Totally forgot about this Sam Miller, my God Daughter has downs. Now I remember why I think he is such a fuktard.
Sam Miller
Shane Deubell personally I always wondered why I stuck it out so long after that.
Maybe I was star struck.
It was a real low moment on MB for sure.
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Robert Allen Sam Miller I’m curios why you didn’t mention that at the “Fest” events it costs each vendor is forced to pay 1000.00 to set up a card table to display their wares. Mind you it’s supposedly a “charity event”.
Who gets that money? Probably, hopefully, it goes to the charity. Regardless some vendors complained it’s odd they do not get a receipt to write off the amount. So who is collecting or writing off the whole thing on their personal or business income?
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Robert Allen Meg Montgomery Burdick I’ve given 100k+ back to struggling cleaners through the years. I won’t say what I’ve given to charity but I will say I never asked for help from one vendor. Have a nice weekend.
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Meg Montgomery Burdick Robert Allen what does that have to do with what we are discussing? So I’m clear, is it your belief that MF “asks for help” from vendors vs. vendors willingly purchasing a sponsorship or package to participate in a trade show event....as they would for any other industry trade show/event?
Sam Miller
Meg Montgomery Burdick sorry a moderator here booted (Rob) him.
UMMMM Mike Waldron care to chime in????.
Meg Montgomery Burdick Sam Miller I don’t know how Waldo can answer for Rob!
Ken Kaplan Meg Montgomery Burdick thats the problem. People come for a charity not knowing it's a trade show event to promote advertisers and make profits off sick kids. WTF?
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- Marty Sutley Mikey is Satan
Sam is the False Prophet
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John LaBarbera Personally I like the way Ken Lisa K Jordan and Joey Harperdoes the Cleaners giving back. They are an officially registered charity and have been doing RMH longer than anybody that I know of. It seems with them the focus is on the charity and not on a person.
Marty Sutley John LaBarbera yeah ... but don’t lose track of who Joeys dad is.
The DNA might be retarded?
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John LaBarbera Marty Sutley why are you so insulting to people? They are doing a nice thing. It seems you could offer a “well done” once in a while. I may not know Joeys dad bit I know Joey and I think he a genuinely nice person. Same with the Jordan’s. They are truly generous.
Marty Sutley Joey is a genuinely nice person.
And you’re still clueless.
John LaBarbera Marty Sutley whatever. I still like the way they do their charity work.
Marty Sutley I never said I didn’t
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John LaBarbera Marty Sutley you never said you did either.
Marty Sutley John LaBarbera I never said you are a moron either, yet here we are, discussing something I’ve never said.
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Lisa K Jordan John LaBarbera actually, Joey hasn't really been involved for the last 2 years. He cleaned Tampa and St Pete with us for 2 years, then went off to do disaster work around the country. He popped up at this years cleaning in St Pete to help out, he has moved in a different direction.
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Sam Miller
Seriously we could name Leslie Judson Jones
John LaBarbera
Larry Cobb
And a lot more
MIKE E's Board SUPPORTERS..
Paid advertisers who at some point stopped paying and were vilified.
I buy a vibe on his auction 6 months later it's trash buy a trinity support my board.....
HOLY COW....how much disposable cash do we have???????
I buy a 14 inch devastator a year later buy the 12 its the best....⁷
I know shame on me for buying it.
I know Larry C calls it the Board Dejour...
But at some point you would think a true friend wouldn't bleed you dry and gut you...
Mikey doesn't care about anybody but himself.....
Line my pockets mike.
He got a silver bullet filter that Joe B. Sells.
Says to Joe I could sell the shit out of this $125 filter....
Just pay for a banner ad....
John O says if he comes back I'm gone.
Joe says I wouldn't pay for advertising to you....
But Mike considered it.
And goes on to review the filter as shit.....
This is how it works.
Play to pay.
If larry cobb buys a board ad as a vendor.
He can't sell or advertise mytee products because mytee doesn't pay.
I guess the paid advertising has limits to what you can sell and not sell.
Poor Larry was reduced to selling sealer only.....
And when he stopped paying for ads.
Mikey had Saiger get Harvard to make the same product but way better....
You see Mike is to stupid to realize he sold the shit out of cobbs flash mop.
Best sealer ever....
Now saigers is the best.......
Why because saiger pays and cobbs doesn't.
Funny thing is SOAP Daddy knocks off Saigers and he's a total bastard for doing it.....
GOD THESE IDIOTS AND THIER CIRCLE JERKS.
Like I said earlier if I lose a customer I try to win them back...
I don't go full mafia tactics.
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Sam Miller
PS I wish this wasn’t how it worked. It lacks character and needs villains - The $100 is for the class and meals.
Also most vendors seem pretty happy to help at the house cleanings and have their products used in a real world setting.
Also they have sponsorships for new cleaners to come learn and give back.
I would rather see this opportunity then see no opportunity.
Lisa and Ken seem to florida locked up nice for giving back.
But to get this done through the rest of the country is hard without some sponsorship..
Also last I checked its ok to make money in America.
If miketsfest said all moneys 100% donated to RMH and then didn't donate that would be a problem.
I don't believe they make that claim.
Gilles LeBlanc Like the old saying goes. There's a sucker born every minute. They prey on the newbies and gullible.
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Ken Kaplan A very nice industry charitable work has been turned into a trade show to hock wares and profit. Shame shame.
