No I do not think his threats are scary but what comes around goes around. I am sure not going to stand there and let someone fuk me or my business over. I almost got fuked over by one TM manufacturer but they are the ones who got fuked not me and I was totally legal about it. Next one that tries is going to get an ass kicking with it. That's why I will not buy another TM unless it is from Nick. I can trust him.
You started this thread with the intention of stirring the waters, I get it. Its all friendly. But lets remember the facts.
1.There are documented post by EZ owners of pump seals going out shortly after receiving a new EZ. The fact that you have never replaced a pump in 1000 hours is great. That doesn't mean that all EZ machines are as reliable. Also, have you done any pump maintenance, replace seals, check valves or other?
2.You posted your "Friendly" competition, knowing that no one would accept the terms, thus allowing you to make the claim that everyone was afraid, so by default EZ is king. In reality, if any CC took your bet, I would say one of two things, either they are CRAZY, or Perhaps it was Bob the steam Guy, that had more money than he needs. The fact is, this isn't Las Vegas, and no business owner in their right mind would accept such an offer...even if they were entering a 100K vortex against a portable. We are business owners, not gamblers. Any business owner that IS a gambler, will not be a business owner long.
3.Hmmm, bigger engine, same price. Cheaper price is not usually the best route when buying things. You get what you pay for. I can go to harbor Freight and
buy a cheap power tool that last one use, and then have to buy another. That is great if I only have a one time use for something. If it is a tool that I am going
to be using everyday...I am not going with the cheap HF tools. It isn't cost effective. Usually when the same type of item is being sold cheaper...there is a reason. It may look good, it may last a little while...but when you look closely, there is usually a reason things are cheap. As I stated, you get what you pay for.
4.My post acknowledged nothing about EZ heat. I do, however, believe that from what other owners have said on this and other forums, that the EZ machines are experiencing many issues on ranging areas. Owners have reported pump problems, engine problems, wood in heat exchangers and one report of the machine burning
to the ground...van and all. Maybe some of the areas have been addressed, maybe they haven't. The fact are, that operators of EZ machines, have documented these different problems with THEIR EZ machines. The fact that yours is working nicely....consider yourself fortunate.[/quote
I think Ben at Amtex needs to chime in and step up! Nick and Ben can have a friendly competition and stream it live for all to see. That would be great. Nick, are you in? Ben?
The cause isn't in dispute according to the poster right below you.
If there was a forum where potential carpet cleaning customers were hanging out and they said jewelry "dissappeared" when you were in their house, but they didn't flat out call you a thief, how would you respond?
Agreed. There is a difference between being sue happy and protecting ones good name. Bob threw a lot of mud and has now disappeared... if it were any manufacturer I would recommend they protect the name they worked hard to create...Wouldn't you?
Great. Let's get this thing off the ground. Ben from Amtex, please stand up! This is for fun and bragging rights. Regardless, we all love a competition and regardless of who wins wouldn't we respect both manufacturers for stepping up and having full transparency? I think Nick and Ben would create a lot of Buzz for their business and some wonderful exposure! This would be a win/win in the end for both parties! Maybe TMF could sponsor it in some way? More posts, more $$$ for TMF...
I tried to do a similar competition with the other reputable local carpet cleaners in my home town, and they all declined. They said that since we are all good cleaners, whoever loses is going to lose customers.
The same goes for Ben and Nick. They both make awesome, affordable machines. But when one barely beats the other, then someone's gonna get worried their gonna lose business etc. I'd be surprised to see both of them battle it out on the rug
I think the winner tm will be with better design in mind.
Less 90 degrees elbows in both ways inlet or outlets from the blower, so more flow
maybe the more horse power, then the machine will bog less
the heat coming from the same engine same rpm will be the same, maybe the difference will be the amount of coil, material, thickness etc from the heat exchanger
The machine that dump less water, so the tank will take longer to fill
better pump quality
I my opinion the design of the accelerated truckmounts are great, because the bearing are lubricated all time DSL blowers. and also it use cat pumps, also the split the exhaust from the blower and that might help will less back pressure from the blower and 2 mufflers so it might be quiter.
It would be nice for Amtex and EZ take a look and do the test to see if the can do something similar.
LESS FILLING! TASTES GREAT! LESS FILLING!! TASTES GREAT!!
If there is one thing we should all agree on is that both Ben and Nick make great machines at a great price when you have their customer base arguing over which is better. Both camps are happy with their machines which is what is important. Why isn't there a Prochem vs Hydramaster vs Saphire thread? The SS 550 looks like a good machine but it costs 25k! Nick and Ben can get you a machine with the same specs for about half that.
Might be a little difficult to have some kind of contest with machines so similar.
30Hp is all one needs to run a 47 Roots blower. 40HP will easily run a 56 Roots
which you would be able to see a real difference. I have used several truckmounts
with 47s in them one was a Hydramster CDS the other two were running 30HP
engines. A mfg allowed my to play with his 37HP 56 Roots Vacuum blower and
although there is not a great difference in cfms the 56 will sustain higher lift . Also
the 56 is a heavier blower. Back then we didn't have Teflon glides so using either
single wand would cause you to get locked down to the carpet.
My point is that a 40HP motor is just not necessary for a 47 blower. That doesn't mean
that it is wrong to use a big motor . For one thing you should have more real dual wand
heat using a more powerful motor. Looking at both EZ and Amtex I think they are both
well thought out and simple which is important . I have had my fill with complicated
Prochems and Hydramster truckmounts. And both of these mfgs have prices that make
it much easier to get into the truckmount game. Whether it is a 14HP 33 or a 20HP 36
2545 or 3047 or 40 47. That is lot choices and I did not list nearly all of them.
I think all our tm's and portables, all of them comes to have less restriction. the less restriction the best.
When I see a machine with small opening to the tank, or a 4 in inlet blower the hose to got the tank is 3 in, so there is restriction right there.
Same with a ETM or portable, the best is when the motors are direct mounted to the tank. can be the same motor but the design is what makes the difference.
1) Demand by cleaners will determine winner.
2) Lawsuits sometimes work in our favor but eventually they can work against our reputation,financially,emotionally and are time consuming.
3) Worrying about competition only robs one of energy to be better than their competition.
4) Freedom of TRUE speech will never die unless America dies.
5) Quality always,always,always wins in the end.
When you purchase a machine you buy one based on more than just hardware IMO. Some people will tell you Chevy is the best others will say Toyota. Who is wrong? These are opinions and we all have them (just like you know what's)
FYI other than performance some people believe that one machine might be easier to work on, they might believe one comes with better customer service, they might believe one looks better, maybe one is not as loud, maybe one is cheaper, maybe one seems more durable. But none of those things relate to performance... For some the 'power' isn't the selling point.. Otherwise they would just buy a bigger TM right?
I don't care either way about any of this .. Just a few thoughts.