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Jan Sullins

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Ok whatever! This is a forum which has many subforums so to speak. This one is about Portable carpet cleaning equipment. Yes some of us are manufacturers and some of us are distributors and most are carpet cleaners.
I don't know who you are VCS nor do I need to.
We do not need the expensive equipment you mentioned in order to talk intellegently about the products we are intersted in!

Ken Harris pointed out that the cfm ratings are not truly accurate . When you put any vacuum system under the load of cleaning carpet then the cfms go down . And with centrifigul vacuums they go down more. Nevertheless we have found ways in which we can leave our machines in our vans and still clean carpet very effectively.
I would think most of us understand that. The manufacturers of vacuum motors have that information available and is easy to find. They are called
performance data charts!

I enjoy discussing these things with the other participants . But there is no reason to get upset or anything .

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Sorry Mick, but I don't do videos. I do take pictures however and I have already said I would post one on the next machine sold. That is as far as I am willing to go.The machine being talked about(the Optima400) has only recently been designed and is a very low volume seller. We build them to order from the 2 motor machines, customizing the machine to the specifications of the customer at that time. That means that there is not one sitting around to "put a meter on it" so to speak. As soon as I get the next sale on an Optima however, I will get it measured and post that result on my website for all to see so we can end this rediculous argument about the cfm capabilities of this machine.
 

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Locko;

I do not work for Cobb Carpet and receive no compensation whenever I promote that company. I have a business relationship with them because they have been one of the top distributors for our products for more than 10 years now. I ask them to build a few of the products I sell because of their proximity to the major markets we serve and to deliver products fast, which was a problem in the past when nearly everything shipped from Canada. That is full disclosure.

Now I also ship my Superslides from here in Calgary to Cobb Carpet in Dallas. Due to me selling more wands lately sometimes the supply of Superslides runs out before the next shipment arrives. In that case, rather than hold up the order, another glide of equal quality gets substituted. That happened in your case because your delivery needed to be rushed as per your directions. I really don't see what the fuss is about. If you want to switch the glide you received for a Superslide instead, I will do that for you. I have them instock now to do that.:bigsmiley:
no fuss, in fact you know i have been saying i got your delivery in less than 5 business days. i am happy with the wand etc etc, i have no problems, I LIKE THE GLIDE, my only question was How come I recieved the wand from Cobb, and why I got the greenglides wand.
Ken I LIKE your product, and you look like a nice, everything nice and beutiful, but sometomes i see things that won't make sense.
 

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Jan i don;t think there is any hate or something, in this forums there is so much LOVE and understanding and everything.
We just ask for answers, proof, test results, videos, is it too much to ask for?
Maybe I have a little issue with Rickie posting about the great recoil he has, and you know that is perfect good for him, but I would like to have the same experience. Who doesn't want to be happy? I do, I wanna be happy with the recoil or mytee or optima. and that is why i need i proof, otherwise if i sepnd the money and the machine it is not a big deal, then I will be mad. so I want ot avoid that just asking to the poeple for 1 minute video.

I love you all guys.
 

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Sorry Mick, but I don't do videos. I do take pictures however and I have already said I would post one on the next machine sold. That is as far as I am willing to go.The machine being talked about(the Optima400) has only recently been designed and is a very low volume seller. We build them to order from the 2 motor machines, customizing the machine to the specifications of the customer at that time. That means that there is not one sitting around to "put a meter on it" so to speak. As soon as I get the next sale on an Optima however, I will get it measured and post that result on my website for all to see so we can end this rediculous argument about the cfm capabilities of this machine.
But Ken, if you do tests and stuff like that it is good to take pictures, or have something in writting.
Unless you are assuming you will get those numbers with the next machine you will sale.
 
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no fuss, in fact you know i have been saying i got your delivery in less than 5 business days. i am happy with the wand etc etc, i have no problems, I LIKE THE GLIDE, my only question was How come I recieved the wand from Cobb, and why I got the greenglides wand.
Ken I LIKE your product, and you look like a nice, everything nice and beutiful, but sometomes i see things that won't make sense.

You received the wand(it is a CMP wand) from Cobb Carpet because Cobb Carpet modifies ALL the CMP Superslide wands I sell and sends them out from there(Dallas).Cobb Carpet modifies these wands to MY secifications, and because I do volume sales with them gives me a very good wholesale price on them so that I can sell at good prices to my customers.

You never got a Greenhorn wand. It is just that they look the same because there are only so many ways to modify a wand.I consider the Greenglides glide the only one of comparable quality to our own, and that is the only one I authorize to be substituted if my glides run short. I am increasing my production of my glides so in future all customers get one of my glides with every wand purchase.:bigsmiley:
 
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But Ken, if you do tests and stuff like that it is good to take pictures, or have something in writting.
Unless you are assuming you will get those numbers with the next machine you will sale.

Hey Locko, I agree with you there.:bigsmiley:

I have already committed to take a reading on the next machine sale and post the numbers here on this board both on my website and in my store here.I have not taken any readings from any of the 3 Titan models since the new higher power 3 stage motors that are used now have come out, so I can not tell you the "net" as installed rating till I sell them and get that info to post, but I will.

The machinesI have(prototypes built within a Speedster shell) up here in Calgary are nowhere as powerful in airwatt terms or cfm and lift terms as the machines I have built in the USA and have for sale now. That is why I don't post those numbers with a picture.

But for some to say that 4 - 3 stage vacuums cannot move 400 cfms when NOT under load and will only produce 1/2 that amount is ludicruse in the extreme. My friend Ed Valentine has his Scorpion machine with it's 3 3 stage vacuum motors measured at 328 cfms when not under load. So to think that a machine that has 4 3 stage vacs also in parallel would not come up to at least 400 cfms measured the same way(at the 2" inlet on the machine)makes absolutely no sense. Both of our machines are the strongest you can buy. I know that upsets some people(especially some of our competition), but that is a fact.There will always be some small varience in performance depending on altitude. Machines put out 10" more cfms when tested near sea level than they do in mile high Denver for example, but they are all very powerful machines.:AddEmoticons0423:
 

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Both of our machines are the strongest you can buy. I know that upsets some people(especially some of our competition), but that is a fact.
Ya but every time you make claims like this, you get all these people that come out of the wood work (like VCS) saying post a vid, that's BS, buy a real TM, bla bla bla, etc.........!

I for one like these kind of threads, wether or not people get mad or take it personal. I must admit.......when I was shopping for a porty, all the negatives about Rickie, Ed, and Jan's "agenda"(LOL) is what got me interested in the Recoil XPS. I made lots of phone calls and read as much as someone can read about porty's and I ended up buying a Recoil! I used the Recoil as a "stepping stone" to move up to a TM, but cannot for the life of me part with the Recoil!!! It's just too good of a machine for me and my needs.

Is it the best, most powerful, best looking, 200' hose run capable portable? Absolutely not!! But it has done everything that I could ask out of it for me with ZERO problems!!!
 

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Well, Floor Guy sums it up...
I have a Recoil as well as 2 Truck Mounts, Its been a Great Portable for me and would buy another in a minute, I hang out on the Recoil board beacuse of some of the people that post there, I like the honesty there more than anything.

Rickie has his way of doing things and some I have disagreed with and we have gone round and round on that board before, Enough said there,

The Machine has worked great for me with little to no headache, Ive been running the unit for 3 years now and I do disagree with some that push the unit to far, You can push a truck mount to far as well, ALL units have a distance they can work from,

A stock unit without a booster will handle 50ft of hose with no problem, I was cleaning office chairs the other night with it, and the recovery had to be in the 90% range using a CFR tool, Yes I was checking....

A Recoil will also support 2.5 Inch hose, I installed a Barb on my machine, Supplied from Greenie and I put 50ft of 2.5 and then reduce it down to 2 inch for the last 50ft when going long distance, and yes you will see a pick up in vacuum when doing this.

I dont own a Booster so I really cant comment on it, Im using it soley as a portable, When it comes to distance off the machine thats a call everyone must make for themselves, What are you comfortable with, I think running 200ft off a stock unit is crazy, But hey if it floats your boat and your customers are happy who cares.

If you would like a reference to talk to, Give Ed a Call and as for Jim's Number he has it already, I have talked to several over the last 3 years about buying a Recoil, I dont make a dime either way, I just dont want to put my Cell on a open board, I have 3 Jobs scheduled tommorrow so if you can call in the afternoon would be better

Jim
 

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Well, Floor Guy sums it up...
I have a Recoil as well as 2 Truck Mounts, Its been a Great Portable for me and would buy another in a minute, I hang out on the Recoil board beacuse of some of the people that post there, I like the honesty there more than anything.

Rickie has his way of doing things and some I have disagreed with and we have gone round and round on that board before, Enough said there,

The Machine has worked great for me with little to no headache, Ive been running the unit for 3 years now and I do disagree with some that push the unit to far, You can push a truck mount to far as well, ALL units have a distance they can work from,

A stock unit without a booster will handle 50ft of hose with no problem, I was cleaning office chairs the other night with it, and the recovery had to be in the 90% range using a CFR tool, Yes I was checking....

A Recoil will also support 2.5 Inch hose, I installed a Barb on my machine, Supplied from Greenie and I put 50ft of 2.5 and then reduce it down to 2 inch for the last 50ft when going long distance, and yes you will see a pick up in vacuum when doing this.

I dont own a Booster so I really cant comment on it, Im using it soley as a portable, When it comes to distance off the machine thats a call everyone must make for themselves, What are you comfortable with, I think running 200ft off a stock unit is crazy, But hey if it floats your boat and your customers are happy who cares.

If you would like a reference to talk to, Give Ed a Call and as for Jim's Number he has it already, I have talked to several over the last 3 years about buying a Recoil, I dont make a dime either way, I just dont want to put my Cell on a open board, I have 3 Jobs scheduled tommorrow so if you can call in the afternoon would be better

Jim
Thanks great post!
 

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Video and meter. If you don't this is your meter guys.

 
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Anyone think they know who VCS really is?

Here is a hint- He managed to join this board in October 2007. Thats right 8 months before the board even opened the following year. And he lives in Virginia.

Anybody else here besides me able to do deductive reasoning?haha
 

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Anyone think they know who VCS really is?

Here is a hint- He managed to join this board in October 2007. Thats right 8 months before the board even opened the following year. And he lives in Virginia.

Anybody else here besides me able to do deductive reasoning?haha
I have spoken with Keith numerous times in chat and anyone who was a regular in Chat prior to us being hacked would also remember Keith.
And i may be wrong but i think Keith actually won a challenge in Arcade.
As for the 2007 glitch i was unaware computers made mistakes

Mick
 

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Look into a booter

I have to go really slow with my 94 cfm's

still not sure what I'm gonna do before spring comes around.:AddEmoticons04259:

I started my biz last Feb with $2,500 and no clients, no written business plan. Sheesh, can't believe I made it this far. I definetly
need some performance upgrades though.
With a booster inline you will increase power and production. When your funds allow it please get one with one of Ken's glides. Just with a glide you will see a gtreat improvement. add a 100 plus cfm you are getting intoa high powered porty.
 

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Jaime I agree that for the most part there is not a lot of hate. I understand why carpet cleaners in the market for a product want to know how it will work for them.

At present I don't have an XPS to make a video . Others will have to do that. The last Recoil 3 I had was a 3HP model. I was very happy with it . Never did it give me any problems and it performed well.
Mine was setup for being run from my van. I used a propane heater and the inline Power Booster.
I was able to do a very good job with this setup. So I know that the newer model must be better as one of the vacuum motors is more powerful and the pump and the motor that drives the pump are outstanding. Also Ed V. has made other improvements to get even more performance out of the newer edition. So I have my own experience and also have been told about the newer more powerful XPS new edition. Also the inline Power Booster from CA has a more powerful vac motor in it as well.
It is no Prochem Legend but it can with the right accessories clean from a truck. So it is in word and deed a Portable/Truckmount. Just depends on how you want to do.

Jan