Encap ( low moisture ) Residential Cleaning

**Chica** · 11-01-2009, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by C Spot Stop

If you think it is a good idea, take your dirty undies and rub some encrap juice on em, let em dry, then put em back on.

Do that for a month with your clothes...and get back to me.

Or you could take your dirty drawers, spray on some steamy soap, vacuum out half the water & put the soggy things back on with a large fan strapped to your ass.

I'm kidding.... can't ya take a joke?

**C Spot Stop** · 11-01-2009, 10:17 AM

That was funny right there. I dont care who ya are.

**stevie bs** · 11-01-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Chica

So you use no chemicals at all other than pre-spray & spotter and you get 100% of those chemicals back out of the carpet?

Correct.
I use prespray,agitation,high heat rinse,spotter,2nd rinse spotter treated areas,post pad (berbers/commercial only) groom, speed dry.

That's it!

Do I get 100% of the chemicals back out of the carpet?
I would estimate/guesstimate 90-95%, which I believe would be much higher than encap methods.

It matters to me which method I use.
It's not just a dollar and cents issue.

**rjfdube** · 11-01-2009, 12:02 PM

I setup my residential on a maintenance program; I HWE first then encap at a 6 month window if or when needed for a nominal fee. Then at 18 to 12 mnth mark it makes a great cleaning for hwe. VLM is an interim cleaning method for appearance cleaning; you should always dry and vacuum up after.

I hope this was helpful.

**Chica** · 11-01-2009, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by stevie bs

Correct.
I use prespray,agitation,high heat rinse,spotter,2nd rinse spotter treated areas,post pad (berbers/commercial only) groom, speed dry.

That's it!

Do I get 100% of the chemicals back out of the carpet?
I would estimate/guesstimate 90-95%, which I believe would be much higher than encap methods.

It matters to me which method I use.
It's not just a dollar and cents issue.

I was not arguing the aspect of cost but rather your original comment:

"the power of steam,or powerful chemicals. Works everytime."

"I carry about 10 air movers with me all the time."

"I can't imagine swishing a bunch of chemicals around in someones home with a cimex and then just leave."

I believe that to be misleading/disingenuous and here is why.
-You are still using chemicals
-You are leaving chemicals behind
-You are blowing those chemicals all over the home

I'm not trying to pick but the notion that a is bad and b is good when both methods use and leave behind chemicals does not follow linear thought. Does the customer buy into the marketing?

I'm sure many do but you can't snow a snowman, I would bet that you are leaving far far more chemicals behind than you believe (and blown all over the house no less).

**C Spot Stop** · 11-01-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Chica

....

I'm not trying to pick but the notion that a is bad and b is good when both methods use and leave behind chemicals does not follow linear thought.

Of course it does. What line are you not following? One uses a chemy sprayed onto the carpet, and mashed around with a buffer. The others uses similar method but the chemy is rinsed out. You may have a small point with regard to not all of the chemy can be washed out..but NONE of the chem is washed out with one version.

Does the customer buy into the marketing?

doe the customer buy into any marketing before he calls?

I'm sure many do but you can't snow a snowman, I would bet that you are leaving far far more chemicals behind than you believe (and blown all over the house no less).

I had rather think we have a good idea of what we leave behind since there is currently a thread about 'clean water only'.

This argument lands on deaf ears with those of us who truly get our heads around the cleaning process. Few HWE guys claim to be residue free. There are some..Zerorez comes to mind...

but surely even the slowest among us sees how something stay behind. But if chemicals are an issue, then these issue prone folks may opt to stay at home in a bubble.

I have used both methods...but I bare no grudge against anyone who prefers one to the other..but keep the argument reasonable.

**stevie bs** · 11-01-2009, 04:39 PM

Follow this linear thought;
I will put my experience,knowledge, and method against any other out there.
and certainly beat the crap out of encappers everytime.

Now, tell us who you really are.

**peterszuba** · 11-01-2009, 05:01 PM

Adriana, or whoever you are. As someone who used bonnets for years, then switched to TM/extraction...there is no comparison. Padding is a joke, it does help the appearance, but leaves WAAAAAY more chems in carpet...along with soil, dander, urine, etc... I believe that spray/buff should only be used as a follow up to HWE to achieve better dry times...or on commercial grade carpet as a "maintenance" clean only. Anyone who tries to claim they are "deep cleaning" with pads/encap is not a quality technician (IMO) and cheating custy's.

**owenscott** · 11-01-2009, 05:10 PM

I know you said no boy parts under those clothes but you are a different kinda girl.

I have NEVER SEEN a girl argue as you do ... for a point or against it. Its not that you can't be a girl, as you say you are, but you write like the rest of us GUYS ... i bet you are treated just like one of the guys where ever you go .... you sure can understand us.

**Rick Imby** · 11-01-2009, 08:38 PM

So what gets the most chems out of the carpet? Just a thought, if you rinse with 15 gallons of water in your average house or 50 gallons? I believe the Demon uses more water than most truckmounts and all other portables.

I put down between 2 and 5 ounces in most houses. The more chems I put down the more water I rinse with.

Big Fork Carpet Cleaner

**Chica** · 11-01-2009, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by C Spot Stop

Of course it does. What line are you not following?

As I stated I'm following your original line where you stated A was bad and B was good due in part to chemicals left behind when they both leave them behind.

Originally Posted by C Spot Stop

One uses a chemy sprayed onto the carpet, and mashed around with a buffer (then vacuumed out). The others uses similar method but the chemy is (partially) rinsed out (and what remains is then blown around where it remains airborne for some time). You may (do) have a small (valid) point with regard to not all of the chemy can be washed out..but NONE of the chem is washed out with one version (no it's partially vacuumed out and/or removed with the sponges)

BTW I'm not a fan of the OP method as of this point but do keep an open mind.

**Chica** · 11-01-2009, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by stevie bs

Follow this linear thought;
I will put my experience,knowledge, and method against any other out there.
and certainly beat the crap out of encappers everytime.

So says you, but quite a few folks have also left HWE for Encap and say the same about that method, at this point I believe the truth lies somewhere near the middle with neither one being as good as many believe/claim.

Originally Posted by stevie bs

Now, tell us who you really are.

Oops wrong one, here we go....

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**Chica** · 11-01-2009, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by owenscott

I know you said no boy parts under those clothes but you are a different kinda girl.

I take comments like that as a compliment

Originally Posted by owenscott

I have NEVER SEEN a girl argue as you do.

Because a significantly large portion of women are twits.

Originally Posted by owenscott

Its not that you can't be a girl, as you say you are, but you write like the rest of us GUYS ... i bet you are treated just like one of the guys where ever you go .... you sure can understand us.

Actually I find that often I intimidate the living hell out of many guys I meet, there is no need as that is not my intention but it just works out that way as I express myself quite well and stand behind my words/actions. Usually they think I am a pushover when we first meet but after a few quick quips and after we get into real conversation... well...

I earned my pilots licence on my 17th birthday and had my A&P by 21 (paid for both myself too)
I ride/repair motorcycles and can out pace most squids w/o even trying
I play softball, volleyball, hike & trail run
I carry a pistol 24/7 and compete in IDPA, USPSA, IPSC, 3-gun
I often quote from our US Constitution and Ayn Rand is my favorite writer.
I don't smoke or drink and have never touched a single 'drug'.
All while standing 5'6" & 125#.
Am I bragging? Hell no!
Am I comfortable in my own skin? Hell yea!

**stevie bs** · 11-02-2009, 07:11 AM

Oh.
I'm pretty sure I get the picture now.
5' 6" 125# female Napoleon.

you win!

**owenscott** · 11-02-2009, 08:18 AM

Because a significantly large portion of women are twits.

I don't mind saying it ... that last girl is a STUD. The others i really could tell as much but the last one .... she moves with a confidence the others didn't have.

So are you point and shoot or front sight?

Taking out the windmill thing was awesome. I haven't seen it before.

**Chica** · 11-02-2009, 08:48 AM

Some men seem to go out of their way to show how much they are intimidated, ad hominem is one of the most common.

Originally Posted by stevie bs

Oh.
I'm pretty sure I get the picture now.
5' 6" 125# female Napoleon.

you win!

**Chica** · 11-02-2009, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by owenscott

I don't mind saying it ... that last girl is a STUD. The others i really could tell as much but the last one .... she moves with a confidence the others didn't have.

So are you point and shoot or front sight?

Taking out the windmill thing was awesome. I haven't seen it before.

Basically there is no 'point shooting' at any competitive level and there are only a very few cases in self-defense situations where it is practical. Accuracy & speed comes from repetitive training & mastery of:
-Grip
-Hold
-Sight alignment
-Trigger press
-Follow through and sight recovery

**dryguy** · 11-02-2009, 02:03 PM

I encap residents everyday, use vac away products, bonnets and 175 Z **** or hot knife.

**Daron Farrar** · 11-02-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Chica

Basically there is no 'point shooting' at any competitive level and there are only a very few cases in self-defense situations where it is practical. Accuracy & speed comes from repetitive training & mastery of:
-Grip
-Hold
-Sight alignment
-Trigger press
-Follow through and sight recovery

You sound pretty handy with a pistol, I wish I could get wife to shoot.

About Encap, I may have to go into more detail on this later but I have gotten some awesome results with Releasit's Hydrox compined with HOST using the HOST machine on some really heavily soiled carpet. The Hydrox is also compatable with certain spotters and presprays as in it will still crystalize and vacuum out. I have been encaping my own carpet with Hydrox only and it still looks great.

**TheEyeball** · 11-02-2009, 06:47 PM

The level of ignorance here about the encapsulation method is disgusting. I am a 95% HWE company, but encapsulation has it's time and place. If you are not willing to learn new things it is a disservice to yourself. The argument between what method leaves the most residue in the carpet is pointless. When encapsulation cleaning the whole idea is to leave the product in the carpet.

For whatever reason, there is some stigma attached to that. But the product was designed for that very reason--to stay behind. It actually prevents resoiling.

For those of you who are all high and mighty about not leaving chemicals behind, I guess you are too smart to upsell protector too.