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    Quote Originally Posted by Chica View Post
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    I'm not trying to pick but the notion that a is bad and b is good when both methods use and leave behind chemicals does not follow linear thought.
    Of course it does. What line are you not following? One uses a chemy sprayed onto the carpet, and mashed around with a buffer. The others uses similar method but the chemy is rinsed out. You may have a small point with regard to not all of the chemy can be washed out..but NONE of the chem is washed out with one version.


    Does the customer buy into the marketing?
    doe the customer buy into any marketing before he calls?

    I'm sure many do but you can't snow a snowman, I would bet that you are leaving far far more chemicals behind than you believe (and blown all over the house no less).
    I had rather think we have a good idea of what we leave behind since there is currently a thread about 'clean water only'.

    This argument lands on deaf ears with those of us who truly get our heads around the cleaning process. Few HWE guys claim to be residue free. There are some..Zerorez comes to mind...

    but surely even the slowest among us sees how something stay behind. But if chemicals are an issue, then these issue prone folks may opt to stay at home in a bubble.

    I have used both methods...but I bare no grudge against anyone who prefers one to the other..but keep the argument reasonable.

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    Follow this linear thought;
    I will put my experience,knowledge, and method against any other out there.
    and certainly beat the crap out of encappers everytime.


    Now, tell us who you really are.

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    Adriana, or whoever you are. As someone who used bonnets for years, then switched to TM/extraction...there is no comparison. Padding is a joke, it does help the appearance, but leaves WAAAAAY more chems in carpet...along with soil, dander, urine, etc... I believe that spray/buff should only be used as a follow up to HWE to achieve better dry times...or on commercial grade carpet as a "maintenance" clean only. Anyone who tries to claim they are "deep cleaning" with pads/encap is not a quality technician (IMO) and cheating custy's.

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    I know you said no boy parts under those clothes but you are a different kinda girl.

    I have NEVER SEEN a girl argue as you do ... for a point or against it. Its not that you can't be a girl, as you say you are, but you write like the rest of us GUYS ... i bet you are treated just like one of the guys where ever you go .... you sure can understand us.

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    So what gets the most chems out of the carpet? Just a thought, if you rinse with 15 gallons of water in your average house or 50 gallons? I believe the Demon uses more water than most truckmounts and all other portables.

    I put down between 2 and 5 ounces in most houses. The more chems I put down the more water I rinse with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Spot Stop View Post
    Of course it does. What line are you not following?
    As I stated I'm following your original line where you stated A was bad and B was good due in part to chemicals left behind when they both leave them behind.

    Quote Originally Posted by C Spot Stop View Post
    One uses a chemy sprayed onto the carpet, and mashed around with a buffer (then vacuumed out). The others uses similar method but the chemy is (partially) rinsed out (and what remains is then blown around where it remains airborne for some time). You may (do) have a small (valid) point with regard to not all of the chemy can be washed out..but NONE of the chem is washed out with one version (no it's partially vacuumed out and/or removed with the sponges)
    BTW I'm not a fan of the OP method as of this point but do keep an open mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie bs View Post
    Follow this linear thought;
    I will put my experience,knowledge, and method against any other out there.
    and certainly beat the crap out of encappers everytime.
    So says you, but quite a few folks have also left HWE for Encap and say the same about that method, at this point I believe the truth lies somewhere near the middle with neither one being as good as many believe/claim.


    Quote Originally Posted by stevie bs View Post
    Now, tell us who you really are.
    Oops wrong one, here we go....


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    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    I know you said no boy parts under those clothes but you are a different kinda girl.
    I take comments like that as a compliment


    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    I have NEVER SEEN a girl argue as you do.
    Because a significantly large portion of women are twits.

    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    Its not that you can't be a girl, as you say you are, but you write like the rest of us GUYS ... i bet you are treated just like one of the guys where ever you go .... you sure can understand us.
    Actually I find that often I intimidate the living hell out of many guys I meet, there is no need as that is not my intention but it just works out that way as I express myself quite well and stand behind my words/actions. Usually they think I am a pushover when we first meet but after a few quick quips and after we get into real conversation... well...

    I earned my pilots licence on my 17th birthday and had my A&P by 21 (paid for both myself too)
    I ride/repair motorcycles and can out pace most squids w/o even trying
    I play softball, volleyball, hike & trail run
    I carry a pistol 24/7 and compete in IDPA, USPSA, IPSC, 3-gun
    I often quote from our US Constitution and Ayn Rand is my favorite writer.
    I don't smoke or drink and have never touched a single 'drug'.
    All while standing 5'6" & 125#.
    Am I bragging? Hell no!
    Am I comfortable in my own skin? Hell yea!
    Last edited by Chica; 11-01-2009 at 10:03 PM.

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    Oh.
    I'm pretty sure I get the picture now.
    5' 6" 125# female Napoleon.


    you win!

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    Because a significantly large portion of women are twits.


    I don't mind saying it ... that last girl is a STUD. The others i really could tell as much but the last one .... she moves with a confidence the others didn't have.

    So are you point and shoot or front sight?




    Taking out the windmill thing was awesome. I haven't seen it before.
    Last edited by owenscott; 11-02-2009 at 07:29 AM. Reason: watched the video ..........

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    Some men seem to go out of their way to show how much they are intimidated, ad hominem is one of the most common.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevie bs View Post
    Oh.
    I'm pretty sure I get the picture now.
    5' 6" 125# female Napoleon.


    you win!



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    Quote Originally Posted by owenscott View Post
    I don't mind saying it ... that last girl is a STUD. The others i really could tell as much but the last one .... she moves with a confidence the others didn't have.

    So are you point and shoot or front sight?

    Taking out the windmill thing was awesome. I haven't seen it before.
    Basically there is no 'point shooting' at any competitive level and there are only a very few cases in self-defense situations where it is practical. Accuracy & speed comes from repetitive training & mastery of:
    -Grip
    -Hold
    -Sight alignment
    -Trigger press
    -Follow through and sight recovery

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    I encap residents everyday, use vac away products, bonnets and 175 Z bomb or hot knife.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Chica View Post
    Basically there is no 'point shooting' at any competitive level and there are only a very few cases in self-defense situations where it is practical. Accuracy & speed comes from repetitive training & mastery of:
    -Grip
    -Hold
    -Sight alignment
    -Trigger press
    -Follow through and sight recovery
    You sound pretty handy with a pistol, I wish I could get wife to shoot.

    About Encap, I may have to go into more detail on this later but I have gotten some awesome results with Releasit's Hydrox compined with HOST using the HOST machine on some really heavily soiled carpet. The Hydrox is also compatable with certain spotters and presprays as in it will still crystalize and vacuum out. I have been encaping my own carpet with Hydrox only and it still looks great.

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    The level of ignorance here about the encapsulation method is disgusting. I am a 95% HWE company, but encapsulation has it's time and place. If you are not willing to learn new things it is a disservice to yourself. The argument between what method leaves the most residue in the carpet is pointless. When encapsulation cleaning the whole idea is to leave the product in the carpet.

    For whatever reason, there is some stigma attached to that. But the product was designed for that very reason--to stay behind. It actually prevents resoiling.

    For those of you who are all high and mighty about not leaving chemicals behind, I guess you are too smart to upsell protector too.

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    A professional carpet cleaner who can't encap and HWE is as bad as a car driver who can only drive automatic transmissions. Sure they are licenced to drive, but they are not the best driver they can be.....

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    You guys are too funny with your analogies.

    Answer this question; Why do you feel like you should encap in a residential setting?
    What benefit does the CUSTOMER receive?
    Do you REALLY feel like encap is the BEST you can do for that customer?

    Kirby/Rainbow can sell an encrap machine to homeowners and they can do THE SAME QUALITY JOB THAT YOU CAN!!!

    Anybody can drive an automatic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daron Farrar View Post
    You sound pretty handy with a pistol, I wish I could get wife to shoot.

    .


    So what do you do when your wife is staggering around the back yard?




























    Shoot her again---You said you wanted to get a wife to shoot---I don't think you will keep her around for long...




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    This whole discussion has given me more useful info to relate to my customers that have been scared by he VLM lies/hype.

    Next time a caller starts regurgitating the VLM fast drying hype they have been told, I'm just going to say the following....

    "Ma'am, if you choose to go with a VLM method rather than our steam cleaning method, you shouldn't pay more than about $10 per room for the service. Their equipment cost a couple of thousand dollars compared to our $20,000 machine. We base our prices on what our cost of doing business is, they should as well."


    Thanks for the inspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie bs View Post
    You guys are too funny with your analogies.

    Answer this question; Why do you feel like you should encap in a residential setting?
    What benefit does the CUSTOMER receive?
    Do you REALLY feel like encap is the BEST you can do for that customer?

    Kirby/Rainbow can sell an encrap machine to homeowners and they can do THE SAME QUALITY JOB THAT YOU CAN!!!

    Anybody can drive an automatic!
    I don't think you're comprehending what some of us are trying to say. Read the posts. I HWE easily over 95% of my jobs. There are some jobs where something else is needed. If you can pay attention for 20 or 30 seconds I'll explain: I have a few customers with glue down carpet in a basement that doesn't respond well to HWE, so it gets encapped, and yes, in that situation I am confident (based on facts, my education and experience) that is the best I can do for that customer.

    Some other customers have stains that reappear everytime I clean their carpet. After HWE, I encap those areas. There is a time and a place for it. No one here has claimed encapsulation cleaning to be superior to any other method. But there are certain situations where HWE just isn't the best option. GEEZ!!!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Rick Imby View Post
    So what do you do when your wife is staggering around the back yard?




























    Shoot her again---You said you wanted to get a wife to shoot---I don't think you will keep her around for long...


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    Alright, I guess I could have worded that a little better, for the record I do plan on keeping my wife around for a long time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie bs View Post
    This whole discussion has given me more useful info to relate to my customers that have been scared by he VLM lies/hype.

    Next time a caller starts regurgitating the VLM fast drying hype they have been told, I'm just going to say the following....

    "Ma'am, if you choose to go with a VLM method rather than our steam cleaning method, you shouldn't pay more than about $10 per room for the service. Their equipment cost a couple of thousand dollars compared to our $20,000 machine. We base our prices on what our cost of doing business is, they should as well."


    Thanks for the inspiration.
    What kind of lies are you talking about?

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    I have a problem with using encap methods for residential customers.

    I have customers with glue down carpet too,never seems to be a problem.
    Of course I post bonnet those types of carpet in both homes and businesses.
    And, I speed dry after cleaning.


    What kind of lies? Where have you been?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevie bs View Post
    I have a problem with using encap methods for residential customers.

    I have customers with glue down carpet too,never seems to be a problem.
    Of course I post bonnet those types of carpet in both homes and businesses.
    And, I speed dry after cleaning.


    What kind of lies? Where have you been?
    Have you researched encapsulation cleaning? Do you know anything about it? I was skeptical at first too, but it has taken my skills to the next level. Google Releasit and call the guy in Florida who sells it. He will change your mind.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by stevie bs View Post
    I have a problem with using encap methods for residential customers.

    I have customers with glue down carpet too,never seems to be a problem.
    Of course I post bonnet those types of carpet in both homes and businesses.
    And, I speed dry after cleaning.


    What kind of lies? Where have you been?
    Well that didn't answer much but whatever... Look I don't doubt that many of you do an awesome job with HWE, but around here HWE guys are a dime a dozen and with a few exceptions they do a pretty piss poor job.

    Based on my own observations and those of my clients that have experienced it, it is not uncommon to have the carpet in worse condition after cleaning than before. There are spots and stains that reappear everywhere or get worse, many times the carpet gets over saturated and damage and possible mold and mildew can occur.

    About 7 years ago or so I began to offer an alternative with HOST Dry Extraction to deep clean carpet, it is EPA registered to remove most allergens from the carpet, there is no down time and spots do not reappear if done properly.

    With that said I have been experimenting with several Encap cleaners and have found that many of them, Realisit Hydrox in particular, works extremely well when used in combination with HOST. For heavily soiled carpet I have found that the combo works better than each product independently. On more lightly soiled carpet Hydrox alone is sufficient to achieve great results. Hydrox is also compatible with some other presprays and spotters but test it first to make sure it crystallizes.

    Overall, I have cut my supply costs in half and my overall working rate has increased quite a bit in most cases. My customers are amazed at the results and I have had many comments that their carpet had never been so clean and didn't think it was possible. I like the properties of the Hydrox as well, the peroxide and tea tree oil help sanitize and deodorize the carpet to some degree although it is also compatible with certain deodorizers and sanitizers in more extreme cases.

    Finally the product has some protector built in and it truly does prevent resoling, my 3 year old spilled some Kool-Aid in my office and it came right out with Hydrox alone and blotting it up. I don't feel like I need to justify my self to anyone, for me it doesn't make sense to clean carpet any other way. I truly hope that it helps others that may be looking into Encaps or low moisture cleaning in general though.

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