Encap product with peroxide

**Scott W** · 03-27-2009, 07:37 PM

I know that Rick Gelinas makes an encap product with peroxide. Are there any others? Does Steve Smith at Vac-Away have a peroxide encap product?

Scott Warrington

**cosway-canada** · 03-27-2009, 11:05 PM

I dont know if vacaway does but the Releasit Hydrox worked very well for me on a 5000 square foot job we had. we used it in the Cimex and in the Extractor.

**dryguy** · 03-27-2009, 11:23 PM

So you can use this product as a Pad & bonnet or HWE ?

What is the name of product Rick sells? I dont think I have seen it on the web site.

**cosway-canada** · 03-27-2009, 11:35 PM

Hydrox

**rchristopher** · 04-26-2009, 11:20 PM

Bridgepoint just came out with a new encapsulate that works great. It's called Encapuclean Green DS. It has about a 4 oz per gallon dilution ratio and will clean about 1000 sf per gallon. We've used it and it's great.

Ryan Christopher
http://www.usclean.com

**dryguy** · 04-27-2009, 09:57 AM

I used Ricks Hydrox on a Church I have been doing qtr. for 4 years. This carpet always has about 50 coffee stains, diameter about 5" around, well I used Hydrox with fiber pad Rick sells and all but one stain came out of the carpet. Im sold on this product. Last month I didnt even know about this product until I saw it posted here.

**Steam Man** · 06-23-2009, 03:02 PM

There's ROTOBRITE

**Rob Allen** · 07-22-2009, 06:59 PM

I add peroxide to my encap to brighten up dingy carpets.

**EncapDrew** · 07-22-2009, 07:00 PM

Encap HydrOx is a great product that works on all types of protein stains. Rick developed it trying to remove wine stains from his own residential carpet. It will work on Coffee stains, wine stains, most food stains, and it works well when you have browning issues in a traffic lane. It has a much lower PH than the rest of the Releasit products that is why is has a different polymer and can't be mixed with any of them. Most polymers are not peroxide stable so please do a test to make sure yours is still going to crystallize if you do!

Works very well on Urine stains as well. Best practice for those is to extract though.

**Rob Allen** · 07-22-2009, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by EncapDrew

Most polymers are not peroxide stable so please do a test to make sure yours is still going to crystallize if you do!

And just exactly how should we do the test??

**C Spot Stop** · 07-22-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Rob Allen

And just exactly how should we do the test??

EZ:

Mix your juice to dilution and put into a glass jar or lid. Just a few drops. Let it sit until it dries. Then, our some pepper (black) onto it and give it a few seconds. Then give a quick blow. if the pepper blows away voila. If it gets stuck... then you have blown the process.

But... I an unsure how anyone would know what polymers do unless they make the polymers.

I thknk they'll work just fine. Not but a few folks make the polymers for this process

**EncapDrew** · 07-22-2009, 10:31 PM

If you want to test your mix, just take the chemical straight out of the bottle and add some peroxide and let it dry in a dish. The juice should dry and become brittle. It will crack away from the dish very easily when you scratch it with your fingernail.

**C Spot Stop** · 08-01-2009, 06:44 PM

I wanted to re examine this thread. Mainly the part about hydrogen peroxide and encap/crystal process.

I am no genius. I am a very sexy man though

But I am finding it hard to figure out why hydrogen peroxide will damage the 'process' simply because there is a little oxygen in the mix. It evaporates so-to-speak once it gets out. Are we using 20%? My Gawd I hope not.

15% should no nothing to the process but it may damage the chemical IF it is mixed and allowed to set, in the bottle/sprayer for more than a few minutes.

But I also failed chemistry.

If one of ya is smart enough and has some extra free-time, can ya 'splain me why this is or is not so?

I'll wait.

**Scott W** · 08-03-2009, 02:27 PM

As the encap product dries, it should form a proper matrix. Some will call this a film others will call it a crystal, but the molecuels have to be arranged in a specific way so that they surround the dirt and later will come off the surface of the carpet easily.

The process of forming polymers and how the molecuels align themselves is pretty tricky. Any added chemical reaction going on - hydrogen peroxide releasing oxygen for example - can make the encapsulation chemistry even more complex and perhaps go haywire.

Once manufacturers get a product to work the way they want it to work, they don't want to encourage a cleaner to experiment byadding ingredients to their product. They may or may not get good reuslts with the new version they have created. This can come back on the original manufacturer.

When an encap produict that includes peroxide is sold, the manufacturer probably spent a lot of time figuring out how much peroxide at what strength could be added. More research and developmen that you might think for 1 added ingredient.

**C Spot Stop** · 08-03-2009, 03:54 PM

Ah....

Now I see. Thanks

**EncapDrew** · 08-05-2009, 10:53 AM

To add to what Scott said,

It has to do with the PH of the mix as well. The Polymer in a lot of Encap products will not Crystallize if the PH becomes too acidic. This is the case with Encap Clean(Crystalon 3 polymer), that is why there is a completely different polymer in Encap HydrOX (Crystalon HP Polymer). The PH of most encap products is around 7 - 8 (neutral). Contrary to that the Hydrogen Peroxide version has a PH of 3 - 3.5.