Extract then Encap or Encap then Extract??

**admin** · 10-09-2008, 11:30 PM

When cleaning commercial grade carpet, would it be wise to....

1) Extract with truck mount/portable then use a Rotary machine?

2) Rotary machine then extract using a truck mount/portable?

Which method is better?

What if the carpet is lightly or heavy soiled? cimex truckmount

**Scott W** · 10-10-2008, 12:21 PM

In most situations, I would do the HWE then the encap. Often the encap part of the process can simply be a post spray with an anti-wicking product such as Encapuguard.

Scott Warrington

**Rob Allen** · 10-10-2008, 12:31 PM

OK Scott I agree, but in which situation would it not be a good idea?

Rob Allen.

**zack** · 10-10-2008, 05:15 PM

encap the spots then extract

**KenRaddon** · 10-10-2008, 07:10 PM

The "encapping" process happens as it dries. If you encap then extract you're not getting any benefit from the encap process.

Provided you think the carpet needs both I would extract first and then "encap" the areas that need additional attention.

Ken Raddon.

**RAEDAN** · 10-10-2008, 10:15 PM

Ken Hit it on the head.

Joe

**kingjoelking** · 10-27-2008, 02:31 AM

Yes I agree with Ken also. If you extract after encap you are actually removing most of the encap product so you have basically wasted a bunch of product.

**dgardner** · 01-04-2009, 09:31 PM

Yup, me too. Encap before HWE is really just prescrubbing.

Dan

**cosway-canada** · 01-04-2009, 09:38 PM

same here, did a ballroom last friday.
HWE then Cimex/Releasit on some bad areas.

**All Bright** · 01-18-2009, 05:05 PM

Would you actually do both? Isn't encapsulation cleaning an interim cleaning process with HWE being used for deep cleaning? I'm getting more commercial work and that is how I'm looking at it. If this is incorrect, please provide some clarification. Thanks

**SeriousHeat** · 01-18-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by All Bright

Would you actually do both? Isn't encapsulation cleaning an interim cleaning process with HWE being used for deep cleaning? I'm getting more commercial work and that is how I'm looking at it. If this is incorrect, please provide some clarification. Thanks

That's what I think too. We encapsulation as an interim process between HWE.

Matt

**DavidVB** · 01-20-2009, 03:49 PM

Yes, encap is an interim cleaning. The question is how long is the interim. That depends on lots of factors not the least of which is budget.

**Jerry** · 01-20-2009, 08:50 PM

I agree, extract irst, then encap.But only if your getting paid for it.

**DannyD** · 08-09-2009, 04:03 AM

Another thing to add to this is that if you encap first you'll have a ton of real dirty pads that ya can never get clean afterwards. If you HWE first most of the dirt is out of there.

I've been doing both methods every job for a bit now. Using an example of about 800 sq feet, when I OP I would have 8-10 filthy pads. Maybe more, maybe less but that was about the average. After doing HWE first, I may have 2 dirty pads & they're not even really that dirty. More just a gray.

**cosway-canada** · 08-09-2009, 09:29 AM

I did an 1100 square office a month ago.
Cimex with hydrox then extract with same.
What a mistake!! Never again!!
wicky wicky wicky :(

**Daron Farrar** · 08-10-2009, 11:18 AM

I have been trying Encapuclean with Maxim as a prespray and to supplement HOST cleaning and have been getting good results with that. Also I would use it to touch up areas as needed, by misting on the Encap and scrubbing it in.

I did also get some Releasit Encap DS and Hydrox based on the good things that I have heard about them. I am a little nervous about the Hydrox though based on the previous post. I plan to test them out on the next few jobs.

**C Spot Stop** · 08-10-2009, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Daron Farrar

I am a little nervous about the Hydrox though based on the previous post.

I think his point was HWE caused the wicky wicky, not eh hydrox.

**Daron Farrar** · 08-10-2009, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by C Spot Stop

I think his point was HWE caused the wicky wicky, not eh hydrox.

Thanks, gonna test some of these products out on some jobs coming up so I'll post my experience with it as well.

**EncapDrew** · 08-10-2009, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by KenRaddon

The "encapping" process happens as it dries. If you encap then extract you're not getting any benefit from the encap process.

Provided you think the carpet needs both I would extract first and then "encap" the areas that need additional attention.

Ken Raddon.

You do get some of the benefit. When you are cleaning Commercial loop carpet it is almost impossible to remove all the dirt and detergent when extracting. If you use the Encap product as a detergent and rinse aid you will leave being polymer that will Encap as it dries!

**EncapDrew** · 08-10-2009, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by C Spot Stop

I think his point was HWE caused the wicky wicky, not eh hydrox.

Almost every time you clean a dirty CGD you are going to have Wicking, it is the nature of the Beast! It is best to just bid them with an encap after it dries!

Explain that the customer has let their carpet get to a point that it needs a Restoration cleaning. Then you can offer a maintenance program that will extend the life of their carpet. You could even offer a discount on the Restoration cleaning if the sign a maintenance contract for the year!

http://www.releasit.com/Releasit_Maintenance_System.pdf