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    I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    From what I'm reading and learning here is that Encap is the way to go for commercial while HWE is still the best for residential. As a start up (about 2 weeks from now I'm guessing) I want to actively pursue all forms of business. I'll be starting with a 360i and a CFX and will pursue commercial along with residential. If Encap is that much better for commercial use then I'll invest in a Cimex later as funds permit.

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    HWE 500 - 1000 sqft a hr
    Encap 3500-5000 a sqft a hr Either a #1 cimex #2 CCS OP machine #3 175 swing Machine

    Dries in 30 min can charge less a little bit becasue VLM is cheaper no fuel , 10-20 in chemical cost

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    No need to charge less. The benefits of encapping V/s HWE will put your company ahead of those offering HWE on commercial carpet.

    Just did 3900 sq ft today @.25. I took my time to do a very through job and it took 3.5 hours.

    I did a slightly smaller job on Tuesday.

    Some of the benefits include:
    Better cleaning, No Wicking, No Hoses, No Noise, Bettter Security,Fast Drying, Faster Cleaning

    The job I did on Tuesday was very ocupied (Retirement community)at the time of cleaning. So, it needed all these benefits.

    The administrater vas very happy.

    These benefits are also very beneficial for Hotels and Motels since they are also occupied while cleaning.

    Set your company apart and you can get in the door easier.

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    There is a little used Cimex in the TMF Classifieds someone has for sale. This is what I use for large commercial jobs. Looks like a great deal.


    LINK--> http://www.truckmountforums.com/clea...ttle-used.html

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    Dave at your retirment homes , how do you clean the urine spills, I have several but we extract with a mytee portable. We have used hydrox but HWE on urine IMO is the best

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    I just clean the common areas and hallways.

    The urine and feces is more in the dwelling units.

    THey had a bad case of the intestinal flu go through that place last winter.

    It was a nightmare!!

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    im charging more now then when i was HWE ( TM )
    marketed as a premium service to my clients, both old and new
    time is a huge benefit Will like mentioned above along with stupid fast dry times and lack of that musty smell hwe so often leaves in commercial settings ( such as apartment hallways with not much air movement)

    the cfx and 360 does look mighty tempting to add onto my business tho for when needed, just waiting on the published results on it from TMF. For how my business is i think that would be the PERFECT machine for me

    I will highly suggest an oscillation pad machine from one of the various manufacturers ( WITH wheels on the ground)

    O also for Urine problems look up PeeRad from vacaway
    when i tried everything else...peerad is the one product that hasnt let me down!~
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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    Have been doing all my commercial accounts with HWE. Now have 175 with fiberplus pads and Realist DS. My accounts rave about the final results with HWE. How can I convince them without lowering the cost that encap is better as a interim cleaning between HWE.
    Realize that I would have to return or instruct them to vacuum. One account is an dentist waiting room where children come directly in contact with carpeting. Is it safe these tots to be on the floor b4 vacuuming?
    I'm ready to try encapping,maybe offer an free cleaning (1 area)to prospective clients?
    Only been in biz slightly less than one year and would like to my prices down till I have comfortable clientele base.
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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    One method of cleaning is not better than the other. It would depend on the soiling conditions, type of carpet etc. Cleaners like to encap commercial glue down carpet (CGD) for reasons of speed and economy. If the end results looks the same, and your client is pleased, then go with what you think is best. Sometimes in a residential setting, encap is better if you are cleaning a light color berber carpet and there have been issues with wick back. Sometimes berber carpet is so dirty, that you have to HWE before doing anything. Most professionals that do encapping wouldn't clean a greasy restaurant carpet because they know it won't properly clean. The oily soil particles that are put into suspension by encapping are supposed to be encapsulated by the polymer and be vacuumed up after the carpet dries. If the particles are too oily, like from a restaurant, they just don't encapsulate and end up as sticky goo. After some foot traffic the carpet looks dirty again. A few times I have encapped a restaurant after an intitial HWE. It has worked out for maintenance cleaning but I still like to HWE after about 3-4 times encapping. The best thing to do is experiment. When you can afford to add machines to your cleaning arsenal think about encapping. The speed and profits can boggle your mind!

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimsteam View Post
    Have been doing all my commercial accounts with HWE. Now have 175 with fiberplus pads and Realist DS. My accounts rave about the final results with HWE. How can I convince them without lowering the cost that encap is better as a interim cleaning between HWE.
    Realize that I would have to return or instruct them to vacuum. One account is an dentist waiting room where children come directly in contact with carpeting. Is it safe these tots to be on the floor b4 vacuuming?
    I'm ready to try encapping,maybe offer an free cleaning (1 area)to prospective clients?
    Only been in biz slightly less than one year and would like to my prices down till I have comfortable clientele base.
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    Just do it Jim. No need to say anything.

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    I scrimped and borrowed to add a Cimex to my Carpet truck. In the 1st 6 months it paid for itself just in time saved doing commercial jobs. Even when I have to pre vac. (i do a lot of jobs for janitorial companies that have allready done the pre vac for me.) it takes at least half the time. I would say the fastes I have ever been able to go is about 2500 sf in an hour. And that job was 70% hallways could possible get to 3000 if it was all hallways.

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    I just an 8400 sq. ft job last weekend with a wand and let me tell you. Ten hours later i would have given my left nut to be able to buy a good encapsulation machine. Nevermind the time how about the physical benefits of not having to deal with a sore back.

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    I have a question for you guys that do a lot of commercial carpet. How do you know when you can get away with encapsulation or padcapping it. I just always figured if its the first time that I cleaned it I would use HWE. Have any of you guys ever been bite in the ass for doing encap instead of HWE for a first time cleaning. I have only done 4 big commercial jobs and I always think to myself if this **** doesn't look as good as i can get it they won't call me back. Does anyone out there have some type of rule of thumb they go by?

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    My accounts love bonett encapping.

    I haven't found any need to HWE first .

    Even for very soiled conditions.

    JUst did a test for very greasy area coming out of the kitchen from a resturant that hasn't cleaned the carpet in a year.(It was black from grease)

    When they saw the results,They booked right on the spot!

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    Personally I do not think its better. I would use it as an in-between cleaning or if my TM can not reach the location. I feel HWE should be used once a year on all carpets.

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    My experience:

    Encap is an additional option, often better, often not.

    But in those arenas it is better.....why use anything else?

    I can perform magic when encap is suitable....but when HWE is needed, I can deliver there too.

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Will Reed View Post
    From what I'm reading and learning here is that Encap is the way to go for commercial while HWE is still the best for residential. As a start up (about 2 weeks from now I'm guessing) I want to actively pursue all forms of business. I'll be starting with a 360i and a CFX and will pursue commercial along with residential. If Encap is that much better for commercial use then I'll invest in a Cimex later as funds permit.
    Hi Will,

    You've received some great comments above. One system isn't better than the other. But encapsulation is a great tool for many commercial installations. Here is how Jeff Cutshall summed up what it has done for his business:

    http://sfs.jondon.com/5378/blog/enca...med-my-company

    Steve
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    PS Like it or not, most commercial property managers aren't really concerned about "true clean". They want reliability, low price and above all else the APPEARANCE of "clean". Encapsulation (especially with a Cimex) let's you give them all three and still make a great profit.

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Will Reed View Post
    From what I'm reading and learning here is that Encap is the way to go for commercial while HWE is still the best for residential. As a start up (about 2 weeks from now I'm guessing) I want to actively pursue all forms of business. I'll be starting with a 360i and a CFX and will pursue commercial along with residential. If Encap is that much better for commercial use then I'll invest in a Cimex later as funds permit.
    "TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE" That is why encap is a way better option for commercial carpets. Customers are satisfied when there is minimum drying time because that means NO BUSINESS DOWNTIME (More productivity)

    However, some low moisture cleaning methods are becoming increasingly popular for residential carpet cleaning as well.
    Brush And Clean Corp. offers a complete system useful for both commercial and residential carpets. It combines PRE-SPRAYING, DRY COMPOUND CLEANING and ENCAPSULATION to get the best results for any carpet with minimum drying time and green chemicals.

    Has anyone tried this system?

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    I cleaned a 5000 sq. ft office today I started out to encap it 175 machine was going to try having my helper spray as I scrubbed it. I usually us my tank on 175 but that seams to use to much juice. cleaned 3 or 4 hundred sq. ft. I just did not like the way it looked. Pulled out the hose and HWE it. Went over where I used the 175 as well. 1hr 30 mins later I was done and it looked great. Don't think I could have encaped it near as fast. I did use my RX20 of course...

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    Re: I'm new. Why is Encap faster and better for commercial applications then HWE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mile High Ron View Post
    I cleaned a 5000 sq. ft office today I started out to encap it 175 machine was going to try having my helper spray as I scrubbed it. I usually us my tank on 175 but that seams to use to much juice. cleaned 3 or 4 hundred sq. ft. I just did not like the way it looked. Pulled out the hose and HWE it. Went over where I used the 175 as well. 1hr 30 mins later I was done and it looked great. Don't think I could have encaped it near as fast. I did use my RX20 of course...
    You managed to HWE 5000 sq ft in 1.5hrs? I'd love to HWE at 3333 sqft per hour. I can't encap nearly that fast in wide open space with a 20" rotary.

    As for juice usage with a tank fed rotary, if you are using pads it takes some time to learn how long to dispense the juice as you go. I used way too much juice as I was learning. Pads are more efficient than brushes at scrubbing I use less juice with pads than brushes. The extra contact surface also speeds up the process.
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