Should I buff after Wax??

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    Tile Professional

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    I was reading how some people buff after waxing and was wondering what that does??
    I am still learning the VCT thing and I am using a old school mop with a RAYON finish head to apply the wax( Is this a bad Idea). The problem is it still leaves a little fuzz here and there in the wax. Do you post buff to smooth that out. Or are you using a burnisher to harden the wax. I only have a 175. If I buffed it how long after I put the last coat on should I wait??
    Thanks Drew
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    I am also new to VCT I buff afterwards with a 175 and I do not get any kind of Gloss It looks waxed but not real shiny Where am I going wrong? Should I get a 300 rpm machine
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    you should get a 2000 rpm burnisher, and that will do the trick, also do not expect a huge shine, because the floor take to shine even more after the 3rd burnishing.
    Also it is not a bad idea to do it with a mop, at least for me i have 7 years waxing with an applicator, i can not go back with a mop, regular mop waste a ton of wax.
    I really do not know what you mean with a little fuzzy here and there. explain more please, so i might help.
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    locko-fabara

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    Oh, when i put my last coat, i prefer to leave, i do not was any of my contract unles they pay me, but they don't, but they are very happy with my results, in fact, they call me once per year, that means it holds very well.
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    Depending on the job we buff but 90% of the time we don't. Now for the fuzz and lint that you mentioned first toss away the mop and get a wax applicator it will save you lots of money and time, but if you don't wanna spend that go to home depot and buy one of the commercial rubbemaid flat head microfiber mops they come with a wet pad (blu) and a dry pad (green) and get a plat watering can big enough for half a gallon(dont get the ones with the shower head ).

    after you scrubbed or stripped your floor rinse with a clean mop and after it dries use the microfiber(green) and go over the entire surface and you will see how much fine dust and lint the microfiber gets off the floor, after that put some wax in your watering can and use it to put the wax on the floor and use the flat mop with the blue pad to spread the wax evenly make sure you get the blue pad wet before using it , this process will improve the quality of your work by 60- 80 % and it will save you tons of wax, the excess that is in the can can be poured back into the bucket and NO WASTE!!

    P.S Make a habit of using the microfiber it make a huge difference in the final result your customer will be very happy.
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    Waste of time to buff after unless it is a daily contract

    Yes buy a flat mop applicator from rubbermaid and wash it out, have to keep it clean or you will acuumulate "trash"
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    The fuzz I think is from the "NON FUZZ" mop head that I use. I am going to switch to a microfiber dust mop to apply wax and also dry dust mop it before the wax and after the strip. Also What do you charge to burnish the floor and do you do it after every wax job.
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    those dry mops also leave lints behind.
    Sometimes depending on the floor i vacuum it.
    example, i have beauty supplies stores i strip, and there is tons of hair. then vacuum the store, and for that I use my proteam backpack, with the felt attachment to avoid scratches, then i start waxing the floor.
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    after burnishing i charge $0.10 extra after waxing. but only one person paid me for that in the last 4 years
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    Most finishes take 48 hours to fully cure. When you burnish to soon you have a tendency to leave a haze on the floor. I use wax mops only to wax floors. Ive been using the same ones for at least 4 years as long as the floor is stripped and clean they never get dirty.
    Good Luck
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    Dr. cleaning is right...u never buff after wax...u need wait 48 hrs...if u like to make look floor more shine apply at least 4 coats of wax and charge more..
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    That is correct. Should allow the wax to cure before burnishing. You never want to do it too soon.
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    Last three coments are right on the money. You''re just burnishing your new wax right off the floor if you don't allow time to cure. (Less threat of that happening with a 175 rpm swing buffer). You do need a burnisher for real cummulative high gloss results.
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    You should not need to burnish or buff a floor after fresh wax to get a shine. If you are putting down 4-6 coats on a clean stripped floor you should have a nice gloss. (unless you use low gloss floor finish).
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    Everyone else is right. If the floor is super clean then the fuzz is coming from your mop. Use a microfiber applicator.
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    I agree with this. We have a yearly customer who we strip/wax. We do not use a brunisher and we put down between 4-5 coats of high quality finish. Has a great shine after!

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    You can't buff at that RPM. If you want a gloss like finish that you can see yourself in you need an actual buffer/burnisher that can do 1500-2000 RPMs.

    What pad are you using? There are specific pads for polishing.
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    offer a buff as an additional service for "x" amount of $$
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    Mikes correct..Burnishing is the way to go! Gives you a Glass shine as well as hardens the wax, We have floors that we burnish every 3 months and 2 years later..they will look great..PROVIDING before you burnish you clean with a neutral solution.
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    I treat newly waxed or recoated floors differently than "maintenance burnishing", but am not sure my process is correct. On a newly waxed/recoated floor, I damp mop with neutral, non-rinse cleaner a couple of days later and burnish with hi-speed machine, but no scrubbing when washing. On a floor thats been finsihed for awhile and in maintenance mode, I scrub with the same neutral cleaner using a 175 and blue or red pad, rinse, let dry and burnish. If I'm not getting a good shine with the burnisher, I re-coat, staying a few inches away from the edges/non-traffic areas. Doing it right?

    Before having a burnisher, I spray buffed using a 175 with a white pad using same methods. It evened out the shine and increased the shine some what, but not nearly as well as burnishing. More of a satin shine. Took alot longer, and I don't think it hardens the finish at all, but it does improve the look of the floor.

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