My RPM's on my Prochem 405 don't seem to be what they once were.

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    I believe the RPM's might have to be adjusted or I might have another problem.
    I don't believe that my RPM's are quite what they used to be just a few weeks ago.

    Upon first starting the machine and leaving it at idle it's almost like I have the waste tank cover off. Then when I switch to high speed it doesn't seem to run as strong.

    I am still getting 230 degree heat and decent suction at high speed but I'm not totally sure about that because I don't have a vacuum gauge to test it.
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    Does this loss of power occur during load or no-load? If this occurs during load then your gov. oil may need to be changed.
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    I observed the following today: After the unit is on it's way to warming up (approx 5-7 minutes) the RPM goes up and back to normal idle all on it's own. Now, when I increase the RPM's to high speed after it has warmed up, the RPM's sound normal as well (but I don't have a timing gun to say for sure). The BIG difference that I certainly do notice is my loss of suction at the wand, that I can tell you was more powerful just a few weeks ago. Checked hoses, cleaned inline filter, made sure the waste tank cover was on tight, all the basics.. There is a very minor vacuum leak in one of the vac hoses but it's always been there and I still had better suction.

    The 405 service manual mentioned a few things like clogged hoses, but it also said Loose vacuum pump driver belt, Vacuum relief valve requires adjustment or has a vacuum leak due to damaged diaphragm.. How do I check those two??
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    Read the manual one more time Johnny. Where does it say "diaphram?" The manual says "Vacuum relief valve requires adjustment or has a vacuum leak due to damaged gasket".
    Visually and physically inspect the gasket to see if it is separated from the lid at any point around the edges. And if your vacuum gauge has dirty glycerin like you said, get a new one or change the glycerin. And never use the gauge off the machine if you think there is a problem because those plastic lines are unreliable.
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    Also make sure the belt is not slipping when is under load. you can check it if you mark the belt and the pulley with a marker or something at the same spot, then turn on the machine, then block the vacuum port, then turn off the machine, then check if the marked area match, if not the belt is slipping.
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    I marked the belt and pulley but there's no way of getting them both near the same position again, I certainly can't spin them by hand..

    The manual says try to adjust the Vacuum relief valve first before inspecting the diaphragm gasket, how would I go about adjusting it??

    I started the unit up earlier, had it running for a few minutes and it seemed to have good suction without any vac hoses attached. The issue really comes up when I'm doing cleaning for more than 7-10 minutes, I am putting down a good amount of pre-spray but I seriously doubt foam is the culprit but I wouldn't rule it out either.
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    You need to check the joint where suction tube connects machine console to waste tank. This can be a rough connection and debris can lodge there causing lint to further clog it up. Tooth pics, hairpins small sticks and pieces of mulch sucked up when throwing down vac hose outside home after jobs are the culprit! If clogged, try 1.5 in hose on shop-vac inserted as far into front of vac inlet to reverse suction and clear debris. You may also use drain snake to help dislodge then suction in reverse. My Legend has the same joint and has been clogged so I am always mindful of sucking mulch by accident.
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    Answer my question Johnny. What is your current Hg lift reading in high speed with vacuum inlet on front of machine blocked off?
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    Ok just installed a vacuum gauge because I could not read it. When I got it installed I noticed the by was reading 10 that's with no hoses. I read ara's other post saying it should be 12 by so I adjusted the vac relief valve until it read 12 with no load. When I put my hoses and upholstery tool it read 30 hg is that normal?
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    STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It should be 12/13 under full load and on high. That is with both front vac ports completely sealed off. 30'' may implode your dump tank if it is not hurt already. 10'' with no hoses sounds like a blockage, a bad one. Run a solution line through the front ports to knock anything loose. Check the filters in the tank. Clean if necessary.
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    I bought my Performer 405 used. I found this in the elbow. 4" diameter elbow choked down to 1".

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    Your govenor may be bad. Check with Keith of A@A supply of Texas. Or local towmotor shop
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    That joint on a Prochem is a clog waiting to happen. When it clogs, your HG gauge jumps, wand suction drops and when your dump valve opens it makes a gurgling noise. I'd like to do away with the whole "through the console" vac tube and add 2.5 in connection straight to the tank. None of the new PC TMs have such an over engineered arrange for connection to waste tank.
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    You need to hook up a tach and see if your even at the correct rpm for your setting.
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    First off I just installed a new vac gauge was it supposed to be calibrated or was I supposed to poke a hole in the top of the gauge? I noticed after i shut the unit down the gauge stays at 10 hg
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    I've been running my machine that way for months now.. I believe the rpms are good now. I also stuck a 1.5" shop vac into the front vac inlet ports but are you guys referring to the elbow going inside the waste tank?
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    Where do I obtain an accurate vac reAding gauge that will go right on the front of my vac inlets?
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    From front of console, vac tube bends 45deg left then right to back of console. Rubber 2.5in wire core gas pipe connects to tank inlet. If clogged, it will most likely be at the rubber pipe connection. I first detected my clog with drain snake fed into vac inlet as far as it would go, pulled it out and there was lint stuck on the end of it. It took a few rammings of the clog before it came loose enough to suction out. You can also ram clog from other direction but there is a nasty 90deg bend inside tank.
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    I'm done with you Johnny. You don't listen to people. Your gonna ruin that machine. I've never dealt with anybody so ignorant and dense as you. I hope you don't hurt anybody with your truckmount. Happy trails!
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    Maybe instead of typing words, you should just post pictures....and just one at a time.........per day. Just sayin'.

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