How hot can the temperature get from a Portable machine?

About 160 degrees. Much higher than that and the pump suffers premature wear if not disintegration. The exeception is if the heater is after the pump then I retract my first thought.

Ken Raddon.

For most portables it depends upon the temperature of the water put in at the start. Typical 1750 - 2000 watt heater will increase the temperature 22- 30 degrees, depending on the duty cycle. (Percentage of time the wand is triggered.)

Some portables use smaller jets to decrease the flow and increase the heat. They can top 200 degrees but at the expense of full flow rates.

Scott Warrington

I guess I am the odd man out here. I had one of my guys install an inline temp gauge to check water temperature. Ours stayed around 180 degrees +/- 5 degrees. Did not have much variance during the cycle at the max flow rate.

Which unit do you have? What kind of heater are you using?

Hey Blind Dr. what kind of pumps do your portables have .?That is pretty hot. Although from time to time I have run that hot of cleaning solution through protables but not usually. 150 mostly.

Jan

How hot you want it? That doesn't sound right dose it? LOL

With my 2nd portable purchase I bought a 60,000 BTU little giant heater mounted on a small cart with a (gas grill) propane tank. I guess I was putting out 200+ deg temps.
It was an external connection so no heat in the actual machine. On my portable I could run 150 ft of hose so the machine and heater could stay outside. NEVER use this configuration indoors.

I agree as an old tyme Ninja User, if you heat water in the solution tank you will only be able to go to around 140 degrees before you start to damage the pump. An external inline heater can raise it more but those things are pretty expensive.

I had a little giant heater on a dolly back in the day. Master Blend used to sell them with the Truck Forces. I think it ran about $700.00 All the heat of a TM.

Jason I have been supplying just such a heaters to my customers who bought Recoils or back in the 90's Cross-American had an electric truckmount called the Jaguar 4000 and I sold the Little Giant 2HT with them . It truly made the difference as far as real truckmount performance. We did not have quite the vacuum but the heat really made it
rock. And as you stated the hot solution was external so the pumps were not harmed!

Hi Jan,

So what's the story on the Jaguar 4000?

Hello John
I started selling Jaguars when I first started my distributorship. I was given the distributorship for Prochem and needed a good high quality portable line.
This was back in early 1990s and I had already talked to Ed Valentine several times and did also bought his inline power booster for my Bane-Clene truckmount. Made a huge difference.

He had some very nice and unique equipment. Very much of ahead of the times. He had a good variety also.

The Jaguar XPS was what he built for his own service company as I remember.
It had a sutorbilt #3M vacuum pump as well as a Lamb Ametek 3 Stage built in booster vacuum. I am not sure which pump he used in the begining.
When I got involved he had made several changes. One was he decided to go with for the base unit a 3 Stage 7.2 diameter Lamb Vac. And of course still had his built in 3 stage booster. He used a Hypro twin piston pump and very effecient electric motor to drive it. Of course dropping the sutorbilt and the electric motor that drove it cut the cost which he passed on to his customers.
Another benefit is that it was now about 100 lbs lighter but because of the engineering had more vacuum.

This unit was called the Cross-American Jaguar 4000. It came with everything you need. It was a great machine. A big bang for the buck!
Another thing is that they happened to be beautiful. They were to a large part made of fiberglass. It was white with blue lettering. It had the best guages money could buy. Even the flanges were high quality brass. Also had neat switches. Ed always gave attention to details. I sold quite few of these!

I almost forgot it had a fresh water tank on top of the unit it was not seperate but part of the machine. To heat the water it had a heatxchanger that was connected to the vans engine coolant system. Usually were able to maintain 140-160 degrees. That is why many bought the Little Giant heaters. Since the water was preheated you could attain tempatures much over the standard 200 degrees that these heaters normally produced! Of course it had a remote waste tank. It even came with hose reels.

Hi Jan,

That's very interesting. That Jaguar sounds somewhat like a copy of the old Work Master and similar to a Bane. It seems like you sold a lot of them. Why did he discontinue such a unit. I remember Ed used to go to trade shows (ISSA) years ago. Too bad he stopped going, but is is expensive. I saw his unit there when he had his wheels rotomolded. This was in the 80's.

John

Just a side note:

The truth of the matter is that the CA-4000 XPS was not a "copy of" the Workmaster. Instead it was the other way around. In fact, this unique System was featured in a book written by Brian Kepka (who was well known in this Industry in the '70s/early 80's) in 1983.

Steve Brandt (way back) contacted us by phone and letter, to private label it (letter in file); however, as is so typical in this business, he thought he'd try to save a few bucks and instead, tried to "clone it" using our unique concepts, but, instead fell somewhat short on performance and a few other aspects.

Remember, this system hit the market in 1978 way before they were in business I believe.

Anyways, just a little History.

The very best to all;
Ed Valentine
cross-american Corp.

Was Bane before all of that? Why did you stop building it?

Bane?

I am not sure but I think that Ed V. and Bill Bane were buying
the same machine from someone in Michigan. I think the name of the machine which looked liked a Bane unit was first called
Karpet Steam. Ed took the concept of that machine and made a new machine that was more powerful especially the vacuum. He basicly doubled the vacuum performance.
I believe that it just became to expensive to build Jaguars the way they were with all the expensive parts. We would have had
to raise the price quite a bit in order to make them worthwhile
to manufacture.

Actually even though the Recoil 3 XPS does not look as impressive it actually is more technologically advanced.
For one thing you can buy a Recoil with auxillary tanks + Little Giant 2HT with a total of 150 feet of 2" vacuum hose and 150
feet of high pressure solution hose for only $5299.00 + shipping.
That is lot cheaper than we sold Jaguar 4000s then and of course by now they would be close to $10,000.00 with the propane water heater.
With the modular concept we can easily go from truckounted to portable in a couple of minutes.

The truth is the Recoil 3 XPSs are an industrial no nonsense peice of equipment!

Thanks Jan,

That's an interesting bit of history. So, according to what you said, CA and Bane first bought the machine from this Karpet Steam and then started making basically an improved version of someones else's machine. I'm curious what the improvement was. Now Bane is still making it and has been quite successful.

As far as technological advancement goes, I think most of them have come from the pump and vac motor companies. Both have come a long way in performance and efficiency. In all fairness, the late Bill Shero, the founder of Century 400 was by far the most innovative person in the portable market. He was the first to roto-mold an extractor housing and the Ninja unit enjoys a measure of success even to this day 10 years after his death. He set the pace for the rest of us.

Jan, it would be nice if you could come out in March for our "Porty Shoot Out". You could bring a 3XPS and help evaluate all the units. We would enjoy all the History you could bring to the gathering. What do you think?

John

Thank you John I wish I could do something like that. My problem is I have a wife and 2 sons 17 and 13 and my boys depend on me to get them to school and picking them up. My wife is finishing PA school . Man it has been a long haul and I am so proud of her. It might be possible because by that time my wife will have her dream job and are lives will finally be more normal.

I would really like it if Ed would go with me!
How would we compare our respective machines and still be fair? There is a lot of good equipment out there. Some are outstanding in one way and then another in a different way.

John I will think about it.

Jan peace