detergent injection system

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  1. josh323

    josh323 New Member

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    need help with my butler system detergent injection system wont suck up detergent and spray it. any suggetions??????i need help
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    Either a clog from detergent residue, or perhaps the drawing hose isnt air tight any more. Personally I would recommend getting a hydroforce and prespraying the carpet instead!
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    Mr. Reyes, as Richard stated;

    What you want to do is check the system for an air leak. Its also possible that the pump needs to be rebuilt. This happens for a number of reasons. The pump is old and simply needs rebuilt. Also you clean tile and grout turn the chemical system off, but closing the flow meter on the GPH meter. Chemical systems cannot handle the higher pressures required to clean tile and grout. I wouldn't go over 600 PSI while having the chemical system on.

    If you could provide us with the year of the butler, someone here may be able to get you a more specific answer.
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    the year to my van is 1988 chevy 20 van
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    pump problems

    I'm having the same problem with my Butler. I have replaced almost every thing and still no luck. Butler techs now tell me that if the chemical flow valve has been tightened to shut off flow, the needle may have been broken off allowing too much back pressure for pump to work. message me in a week and I'll tell you if replacing the valve has worked for me!
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    Having the same issue with a 2001. The guy rebuilt the pump for me and it sprayed soap when I left but even then it was spotty. Now it works for a while if I mess with it a long time. By turning on red prime valve and convenience got water. It works for 5 minutes or less then doesn't work. Any suggestions other than spray with a hydro force?
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    Now with yours being an '88, is your injection pump "square" or "round". The square ones weren't very reliable, the spring inside would shatter if you looked at it wrong. The round ones are much nicer. When was the last time you rebuilt it? When you take it apart, you should see the black diaphragm, it shouldn't have any rips in it. Then remove the 2 side pieces, inside there are check valves. Make sure they're clean and in working order......
    Also check your O-RINGS at all quick disconnects of the fresh water input lines ( between the water tank and the pump) Any air leaks, no matter how small will affect the performance of your pump.
    I could go on and on with diagnostics, but really need to know which injection pump you have first.
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    Put your detergent in your fresh tank and fill it with water.
    Problem solved, been doing it for 20 years.
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    ^^^^^NOOOOOOOOOO^^^^^Please dont do that. How do you control your dilution rate and keep it consistant?
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    How the hell more consistent can you get than 100% accuracy.

    Detergent in the tank, filled with water, sloshing around on its way to the first job.
    All mixed and ready to go. You can't get a more accurate mix.

    Newbies?
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    I shot mine in the water tank, always have done. Never had any complaints.!!
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    WOW.... The venom around here!!!. The reason for chemical injection is to maintain the correct flow of chemical in relation to water for proper rinsing. When you just throw chemical into your water tank you aren't controlling the rate. Seriously people.... What is your water tank made of????? Does the acid rinse leech minerals from your aluminum tank. What do you think these chemicals do to your pump plungers???? What if your next job requires a different chemical?? You don't just throw chemicals in.. The chemicals have specific dilution rates. If you want to be a GLUGGER, that's fine.. But I'll just take your business.
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    How can you say "aren't controlling the rate" ?
    My mix is 100% accurate at 1 ounce per 5 gallons of soft rinse water job after job, day after day.
    It never varies and I don't have to guess how much detergent in in my rinse water.
    Most guys that use a chemical injection system have no idea what there end rtu rate is.
    And you don't throw or glugg...We use a measuring cup.
    Nothing has ever leached out of my fresh water tank and I just put the first set of seals
    in my high pressure pump after 7 years.

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