Thread: A Practical Question Regarding Lift/CFM

With the recent porty shoot out we had a range of results regarding vacuum performance. As a result there have been many discussions on how even the slightest increases in vacuum power will result in significant performance.

For example these four machines rated at:

CFX-3 stage-135 wl-205 cfm-10

Recoil- wl 110 @ 50 & 100 ft /cfm's 202 @ 50ft-100ft 176/lift 50 ft 9, 8,100

Mytee Speedster 1003dx-122 wl 50 & 100ft-10 lift 50 & 100 ft/200 cfm 50 ft 175 @ 100 ft

Olympus-145 Wlift 50 & 100ft@ 50ft/Lift @ 50 & 100 ft 11/103 cfm @ 50 ft & 100ft 100

Does anyone know how much faster the carpet will dry using the machine with the most powerful performance as opposed to another?

How you clean, dry strokes, etc. will obviously play a big part, but is there any way to quantify the benefit?

Originally Posted by cleaningservicepros

With the recent porty shoot out we had a range of results regarding vacuum performance. As a result there have been many discussions on how even the slightest increases in vacuum power will result in significant performance.

For example these four machines rated at:

CFX-3 stage-135 wl-205 cfm-10

Recoil- wl 110 @ 50 & 100 ft /cfm's 202 @ 50ft-100ft 176/lift 50 ft 9, 8,100

Mytee Speedster 1003dx-122 wl 50 & 100ft-10 lift 50 & 100 ft/200 cfm 50 ft 175 @ 100 ft

Olympus-145 Wlift 50 & 100ft@ 50ft/Lift @ 50 & 100 ft 11/103 cfm @ 50 ft & 100ft 100

Does anyone know how much faster the carpet will dry using the machine with the most powerful performance as opposed to another?

How you clean, dry strokes, etc. will obviously play a big part, but is there any way to quantify the benefit?

Damon,
GREAT QUESTION !!! REALLY ONLY AN CERTIFIED LAB IN THE SAME ENVIRONMENT WITH THE BEST OF THE BEST TESTING EQUIPMENT (YOU WOULD NEED TO ELIMINATE THE HUMAN FACTOR) WOULD QUALIFY,IMO.
MUCH LIKE DRYING TIMES ,THERE ARE TO MANY VARIABLES.
YOU AND I CAN CLEAN AS WELL AS ANYONE WITH ANY OF THOSE EXTRACTORS,IT JUST MAY TAKE LONGER.

I can tell this.
lift will help to remove stains from carpets and stairwells.
I tried with all my portables and even the steamin demon now.
with my eclipse i dont even have to pre scrub.
now if i say drier, i can't tell, that depends about many factors, but i did this, in a glue down carpet, i used the mytee 1003 dx, with only 137 water lift and i extracted 75 sq ft of carpet as much I could, then i did right away with my eclipse 300 water lift, and i got maybe 3/4 of gallon of water, maybe more maybe less, but still it was more water.
I haven't be using my eclipse that often latelys, but i know when it come to rinse the tank, I need to stick my hand to scoop out the sand, and that is something i don';t do in my recoil or 1003 dx, i just get that in my eclipse and i was getting that on my truckforce (sold)

I can vouch for Truckforce 3500's excellent lift capability. It has only 100 cfm but can out extract most portables out to 50 ft due to its high lift.

Machine weights 190 lbs which makes it a beast. I could see running it from the truck w/a vac booster and propane heat.

I know I can vouch for the Mytee M5...which IMHO is their best portable. Mytee pushes the 1003 DX more than any of their portables because it has it all plus heat. It's a fine machine...but I'll keep my M5 and simply strap on the 200-120 heater and I can run with ANY OF THE BIG DOGS!!!

As soon as I can I'm gonna add 2 LMB3A vacs...those babies deliver 153" lift each!

Originally Posted by Jan Sullins

There are other vacuum motors out there that have more power with less amperage. You have to look around!
One should always click on the specs which will show you how much lift and cfms you have or close to in
the performance data charts. I have seen the vacuum motor that has 153" H2O Lift but I don't remember how
many amps it takes to run one.

Jan Sullins

Jan;

The specs on the LMB3A are:

# Vac Motor - 5.7" diameter - High Efficiency 3-Stage Design
# 153" lift High Airwatt Series - 648 Airwatts - 118 CFM
# Tapered Fan System Increases Performance & Efficiency
# 14 amps current in a typical system

I am waiting for the new booster from Mytee to install the LMB3A in.

That will be a great combination, with a dual LMB2A extractor.

Larry

i already bought and installed 2 lmb3a 153 " in my front 2 motors and have a lmb2a in the rear booster motor of my recoil. Locko i will take a pic of my waste tank after a apartment. I live in florida lots of sand. I will several pounds of dirt and sand in my tAnk daily.

Originally Posted by Jan Sullins

There are other vacuum motors out there that have more power with less amperage. You have to look around!
One should always click on the specs which will show you how much lift and cfms you have or close to in
the performance data charts. I have seen the vacuum motor that has 153" H2O Lift but I don't remember how
many amps it takes to run one.
There is one I know of that has quite a bit more power and uses around 13.5 amps. Another thing if one is using
a portable with a small waste tank then he may not be able to use all of it because of excessive turbulance.
I understand the desire for more vacuum I really do, but an extractor is a system with both injection of cleaning
solution and vacuuming most of it out! Sometimes one may be working harder with the more powerful motors because
they are not meant or built for that kind of lift and air flow causing dirty water to go down the stack pipe and into the
powerful motors!

Jan Sullins
American Kleen Pro

Jan...I don't think I need to worry there. My M5 has a 15 gal waste tank. The C302A motors I use now create great lift at 148" and 230 CFM. When it comes to performance, the M5 is always at or near the top!

When I move to the LMB3A motors I'll keep my C302A motors as backups. As far as amp draw I'd be using a little less based on the specs. I'm not in a hurry though...one of my C302A motors is only a couple of months old.

I like when people wants to upgrade their machines.
Erik, are you tripping circuit breakers? are you getting more sand after you replaced the motors?
take pictures of the motor Erik.

Originally Posted by locko-fabara

I like when people wants to upgrade their machines.
Erik, are you tripping circuit breakers? are you getting more sand after you replaced the motors?
take pictures of the motor Erik.

Jamie
I asked Erik his opinion .Would like yours : Either purchase Eds Booster or upgrade motors (both one day)? I have been running stock Recoil on 2 separate 15 amp circuits or 1-20 and 1 -15. Would prefer to have 2 15amp circuits and 1 20 amp circuit . Hate popping breakers.
Ed will assist me yet he is SWAMPED with orders from across the pond.
THANKS

If i use always a generator i will replace the motors.

Originally Posted by cleaningservicepros

I thought you used a generator?

Damon,
When needed I have a 2400 watt Yamaha Generator (58 decibels). Will run one circuit of Recoil or the auto pumpout. In my video I was running the auto pump w/generator . Recoil was on 1 20 and 1 15 amp circuits from customers home.
I do have an 5000 watt generator at my disposal.Loud-heavy and uses gas at a alarming rate. The source of electricity is free from client.
Yet if I upgrade motors/buy booster I will need to obtain 1 larger generator to eliminate chance of popping breakers and the spider web of cords.
JIM