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    leofry, Others have said that its really face to face or (BTB) that gets it done. I agree and if your not a people person how do you do that ? What are your hobbies ... stamps or bicycling or power-walking ... anything like that. You have something in common with these folks and even if your not a people person it is easy to talk to them. How do you find them ... groups are often on the internet like craigslist or yahoo groups .... or meet in places like burger king at 10:30 on wednesdays ....

    This could be your "IN" with a whole market that you never considered before. If you are sincere about your common interests and they have dirty carpets .... who do you think they are gonna call ??

    other hobbies include model trains, model planes .... if you hobby is cleaning carpets you might not get many referrals from your carpet cleaning friends tho.

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    Wow, a lot of response on how to market your business and generate more sales. The thing nobody seems to address is what to do with the business once its there. So many cleaning businesses fail not because they couldnt find work, but because they could not manage it once it was there. They could not keep up, and could not keep organized. It can be very easy to lose control once you get busy. Your once clean, organized shop is a mess with unfinished work piled everywhere, your truckmount falling apart from lack of maintenance and overwork, your bookwork is weeks behind, your filing system hasnt been kept up for months.

    So many cleaning businesses forget that it's easy to find the work, its hard to keep up.

    The only thing I would add is my general rule, which Im sure may ruffle the feathers of the illustrious marketing gurus here, and although I am no marketing guru, I can claim to have doubled my business and net income every year for a consecutive five years since I opened shop. but I still believe in this one simple marketing rule:

    The more expensive the marketing is, the less effective it is.

  3. Carpet Cleaner

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    The best advertising doesn't have to cost much, May be true in that relationship building doesn't necessarily have to cost much money, time or effort.

    I have found that the most expensive advertising comes from: The college of hard knocks, trial & error, doing something just because everyone else does it, using untested methods, thinking you found the magic bullet or being inconsistent.

    The very most expensive advertising of all and the reason most businesses fail is: the failure to take action or waiting until you get around to it.

    So, Every cleaner should take the time right now and make a list of those marketing strategies that you have been waiting to get around to.

    Get out your calendar/appointment book and write down the steps that will execute the most promising ones.

    Take action, make it happen. Because, wishful thinking is not marketing.
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  4. Ultimate Cleaner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Yoakum View Post
    I've never seen the point of passing out flyers.

    Sure the medium has an inexpensive up front cost. But, passing them out can be a real time drain for marketing that more that likely will get tossed into the trash.

    Uninvited junk on your door seems a little intrusive and not a good way to start a relationship.

    The inefinciancy of marketing one customer at a time whatever the method doesn't seem very effective to me.
    I deliver them to PAPER BOXES and it NOT intrusive at all.. Most of the time they think they got it in there mail boxes. I really don't need many new custy's since repeat and referals have been great! I do think I should correct my last post though... Service Monster (for reminders), flyers (for some new biz when I'm slow), and my website also for new custy's.

    Let me ask you Dave how long do you work at your marketing per week?

    I had my flyers designed by Wayne Miller this year and I have been getting into high end homes and they seem to tell all there friends when I leave.

    This week I had two jobs from my flyers together $455.00 and the rest were repeat or referals, seems to work for me.

    Heres the latest(that there is my little guy)....
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  5. Carpet Cleaner

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    Keith Says:
    "Let me ask you Dave how long do you work at your marketing per week?"

    For my most most productive marketing of my new clients I spend NO time and NO money each week.

    To be more exact. I guess every few months I might spent up to an hour. So, I guess the answer would be 5 minutes per week. But, still no money and I do most of it in my van before I go to the next job.

    Lately It's been producing well over $1000 in new clients every week.

    (And that's not counting the new clients generated from client referrals and the web.)



    Works for me.
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    I dont do a lot of marketing anymore. I have been on autopilot for about 8 to 9 years. However when a opportunity arises I take it.

    Richard said it best, getting there is easier,maintaing it is hard.

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    I Like your flyer Keith! Looks great!

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    Ok lets do some math. Hundred dollars and hour times 5 cleaning hours a day times 200 working days a year. The grand total is $100,000 per year. Now complaining that sfs costs $600, jp is 3k and hp is 2k. Small price for education in my opinion. What is your yearly strarbucks or energy drink bill? I started this business to be a carpet cleaner, I now realize I own a marketing company that cleans carpets. The price you pay for the lack of education will be a heavy price.... I promise you that

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    Richard your math is off . You did not take into account varieables. Up sells on scotch guard,furniture ,rentals ,repeats ,pet treatments.

    Wasting money on Howard partridge and Joe polish is a waste. The money you put into that you could put into better tools , like a electric hose reel,wand glides . all tools that increase you life of being able to make money. Or even in a roth Ira.

    I think keith is probably doing it right. just because he does not give his money to bottom feeders is not a bad thing. Hell a lot of people gave money to infringements r us. what did that get us.

  10. Carpet Cleaner

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    Better tools and equipment may look pretty. But. they won't see much action if you don't have a way to open doors.

    It's some form of marketing that gets you in the door.

    Good marketing doesn't cost. If it is worth it's salt it should pay for itself many times over.

    If you don't like JP or Howard there are many other ways to market or find marketing ideas/materials.

    The advantage of using some of the marketing packages is that they have been tested and proven.

    So, then that you don't have to spend the time researching, reading about and testing marketing trying to re-invent the wheel.

    Also, if they are designed properly you should be able just to plug in your information saving even more time.

    (a caveat- I do wonder about marketing that become a perpetual money stream back to the marketer)

    If you feel you don't have to market fine. But, most businesses find that if they don't bring in new clients on a continued basis. Their business will suffer greatly.

    Great marketing doesn't just happen with a little wishful thinking.


    Albert Einstein once said;
    “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

    If you want to improve the performance of your company you need to take some form of action.

    Market smart!!
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    Dave you are right . Marketing makes things happen. However there are plenty of tried and proven ways that cost a lot less than 2000 or 3000 dollars.

    In Fact you can get ideas every day for about .75 cents buying a local paper. Seeing what successful companies do .

  12. Ultimate Cleaner

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    Quote Originally Posted by NICK NELLOS View Post
    Buy some good marketing books from the bookstore.
    How do you know which one is good? what is good for you may not be good for the next guy....just like SFS.
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    True Nick,

    With a newspaper you can learn the formula on how to design an ad and other marketing tactics.

    Marketing ideas are all around if you every day if just look for it.

    Also, Marketing doesn't have to cost much.

    My best marketing doesn't cost me a dime, printing, postage or time. Like I said before It produces well over $1000 in new clients eack week.

    That is because I planted the seeds to make it happen.

    That is the way I like to market where you simply have to plant some seeds and it continues to grow all by itself. While you just have enjoy the fruit.


    Everyone needs to find marketing that works for them, their service area and their desired customer base.

    Some do well paying several grand for marketing. Some get burnt.

    Choose wise grasshopper!
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    Are you guys saying the Super Bowl Commercials don't work?
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  15. Gimme a break its not that much money, sheesh
    Learning is never a waste, at min you learn what not to do.

    Not to mention getting out of your comfort zone, go out into the world and meet people ask what other contractors are doing face to face


    Or you can just buy freemarketing forever and never work again

    Good Luck on that one

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    Learning is never a waste.

    But, learning through the college of hard knocks can be a waste of your hard earned marketing dollar and your time.

    Time is important because your company may have been able to get years of a better return on your marketing dollar and company growth.

    Rather that the opposite that can happen from using the "I hope this works this time " marketing approach.

    Think of all the posible mistakes out there:

    Phone bookcovers
    Maps
    Large Yp ads.
    Ads on sales slips
    Shotgun advertising
    Most direct mail
    Not having a webpage
    Not contacting previous clients regularly
    Web directory advertising
    Not having a plan
    Marketing just because everyone else does it.

    The list can go on forever.........
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    Hp has a 2+ million dollar cleaning company. There has got to be some value to his marketing seminar. I will however throw you some free advice. Be professional in everything you do. The way you look and dress, the way you talk on the phone, the cleanness of your van, the equipment you bring into the home and on and on and on. Part of my marketing plan revolves around providing a service the customer is compelled to refer other to. This mission statement is much more than just a good job. I have to be on time, call when late, even 5 minutes. Use protection for their home(corner guards, booties) If you wow the customer in all areas of the experience they will refer other to you.

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    LOL. If you had Carpet Cleaning Companies sending you $999.99 for some information that's valued at 47,000.00 you could afford more advertisement also
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    www.iwantmycarpetscleaned.com

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    Nick, it sounds like you're implying all formal training has no value? Instead, get all your knowledge from books? Hmmmm.....

    That may be a perfect way for you to learn. But for most, learning requires multiple avenues. People learn better by reading the message, hearing the message, seeing the message, and putting the message into a real life situation.

    Yes, books are great. I've learned MUCH from reading. And yes, at times I've learned more from reading than attending a seminar.

    But there's no way I could know all I know today if it weren't for coaching programs and formal training events.

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    Right On Hitman

    Everyone learns differently, some people would rather go and network face/face others read books. I like all

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    Well, Hello everyone! My name is Nick and it's my first post. I just could not resist the urge to say something about
    Google AdWords in response to some nay Sayers about Internet Marketing. IT WORKS.... LIKE MAGIC! Why? Because unlike many other businesses out there that sell electronics, apparel, and even carpet cleaning equipment itself, we as Carpet Cleaners, don't have such an enormous world wide competition. When people shop on internet they shop for price, but when people shop on internet to clean their carpets they shop local almost by default. So, even if the guy in PA cleans for $20/room(lol just an example) and another guy in NY cleans for $49/room the customer from NY is not going to call PA , neither PA cleaner will come to NY for practical reasons. The carpet cleaning business is almost like a niche business in itself as it forces our clients to stick to local offers, and this in turn, reduces the strong competition that might exist in other industries. I am NEW to CC. Having experience in HTML, CSS and graphic design I put together my web site and signed up for Ad Words. Also, made a per click ad through Google(cheap) and put the company name into local listing on online Superpages, Yahoo! Mkt. Solutions(yahoo! alt. of AdWords). And guess what?! I was about 1.5 mo. in doing back testing process making sure my site works as it should when I started to get phone calls to clean carpets! That's just internet; no flyers, biz. crads, door to door or any kind of soliciting! In fact, I don't even have my equipment yet! I apologized politely with a smile(something I learned from working at Front Desk Marriott Hotel) explained that the company is just starting out and offered my future clients 1/2 off if they decide to comeback. I only got 5 calls so to me it's not a loss but in fact a marketing deal. I admit I did not expect ANY calls at all and it was very awkward for me to explain the situation. The site is suspended for now and is unsearchable until I get my equipment together. I will be getting a used van and a HydraMaster Boxxer 427 in about a month if things go as planed. Anyway, just wanted to tell some of your out there thinking about Internet to just DO IT! It's cheap (about $150/year) and it's almost a must these days. As a matter of fact, we at Marriott use Google exclusively to provide our guests with directions and addresses for local businesses. So if some one wants to get a hair cut we search for..... barbershop 12550(our zip code) AND when my General Manager wants to clean carpets(as she did 3 weeks ago) in our Hotel's rooms she searches.... carpet cleaning 12550. Well, hope I won't get eaten alive for my factual 2 cents. Cheers Nick.
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    John , I am not implying that formal traing does not work. If one is gonna drop huge coin they would be better of served taking a real marketing course at the local college or vo-tech.

    There you get to talk to real business leaders in your area. You get forge alliances and ties with people in your classw. + you get hands on. 75.00 to 300 sure beats some of theses marketing programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abarlam View Post
    Getting a website is a validation to people of your business. I know when i search for a business on the web I am always leery to use them if they don't have a web site.

    Also, I can tell you for a fact b18, we have done Google local and Craigslist marketing for people with and without websites and with web sites definitely returns almost double the response rate.

    If I am searching for carpet cleaners in my area, and one has a web site where I can read about them and see examples I am definitely going to use them over the other one who provides me with nothing.

    Just my 2 cents.
    Adam,

    Explain the value-added in your methodology: Cost vs. results to bottom line. What sort of return on investment can your customers expect?




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    Quote Originally Posted by leofry View Post
    every time I think I am going to try something new right before I do it I either talk to someone, or read on here or somewhere else that it did not work

    what works

    word of mouth= in my opion yes after you have been in biz for 4 or 5 years.

    radio=?

    Tv=?

    news paper=?

    door hangers=?

    maileres?

    reminders?

    door to door?




    Some of you gentlemen may laugh or poke fun about this, but here goes:

    Why not volunteer with your childrens' school PTO (Parent Teacher Organization)? This is a marketing bonanza and it's a win-win. Park your van where it's highly visible and tons of parents will be able to see it. Also - you can sponsor PTO events. I'll admit this could be a double-edge sword; if you screw up, everyone will know about; if you do a heckuva job, word will spread like wildfire (just make sure you do right by your customers because you may have to face them every day).

    My $0.02.


    -Jose

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