Can you really get pet..........................

**DavesCarpetCleaning** · 07-02-2009, 12:04 PM

can you really get pet urine that has been saturated out of the padding just by cleaning? I've been told by wholesalers and some carpet cleaners they can. But I really don't think you really can without taking out the padding. The carpet might look good and even smell pretty good. But I really believe over time the smell will be there again because not only does it not come completely out of the padding, but it's on the slab as well.

Tell me what you think.

Dave

**RichardR** · 07-02-2009, 01:17 PM

I don't make those claims... I tell the customer that to get rid of the problem, the pad needs to be replaced, subflooring needs to be either treated or treated and sealed... Backing needs to be cleaned and treated with a quat.... With all the claims of one hour drying times, the cleaning solution will not even get the backing wet.

There are some masking agents out there that will cover the odor to a degree but it like putting a pretty hat on an ugly baby...you still have an ugly baby.... Richard

**leofry** · 07-02-2009, 01:31 PM

I pretty much agree with Richard. When i am asked about pet stains and oders. I am confident if its a small spot about the size of a basketball or smaller. I would use the water claw. but if its all over then to me it needs to be taking up, if you want to guaretee its gone... can it help if you clean it well of course you are gettgin rid of some of it.... but even at that the smell could be worse when we get done.

**Scott W** · 07-02-2009, 03:14 PM

Like all organic material, pet urine will bio-degrade over time. It may be months or years, even if no additional urine is depsoited, but it will eventually be decayed into the basic elements and no longer be urine.

The trick to removing urine from the pad is to speed up the natural process of biological break down. This can be done in two ways.

The most popular method right now is oxidiation. The presence of large volumes of oxygen and hot water break down urine into gases such as nitrogen, carbon dioxide, oxygen and sometimes ammonia gas. Nothing will be left except possibly some lipids (chloresterol) that was in the urine. The lipids break down very slowly.

Oxidation is accomplished in 30 to 45 minutes with hot water and a product like PetZONE (Pee-Be-Gone and OSR are other products that work in a similar fashion.)

A lot of hot water is required. You need to be able to remove that hot water, so great vacuum and extraction tools are essential so that you don;t repalce one problem (pet urine) with another (mold by leaving things damp).

Some floors are not well suited to doing a large number of urine spots - Particle board.

Another method to break down urine is with bacteria and enzymes that actually digest the urine. This process can remove even the lipids. It is much faster than natural biodegradation, but slower than oxidation. Depending on the volume of urine present and the strength of the product used, it can take from a couple of hours to a few days to get urine out of a pad or cushion.

No doubt that urine can be removed from the pad. But that does not mean that removing the pad is not still the best option on some jobs. Turning back the carpet allows you to get to the floor underneath and see how contaminated it may be. Also allows you to observe, clean and deodorize the back of the carpet.

Removing the pad can be faster and less expense in some cases.

**C Spot Stop** · 07-02-2009, 07:26 PM

Killer post Scott.

**DavesCarpetCleaning** · 07-03-2009, 08:46 AM

Scott, thanks for the detailed response. My problem is I haven't perfected how to lay carpet back down. So I hate to pull carpet back to see. I have to contract out putting carpet back down until I can do it right.

**Jason Whaley** · 07-03-2009, 09:39 AM

My answer is yes if you have a water claw. The area needs to be saturated. I use OSR and a 2 gallon water can. Let it sit for 15 to 30 minutes and then extract. I do not guaranty it but it works most of the time.

**DavesCarpetCleaning** · 07-03-2009, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jason Whaley

My answer is yes if you have a water claw. The area needs to be saturated. I use OSR and a 2 gallon water can. Let it sit for 15 to 30 minutes and then extract. I do not guaranty it but it works most of the time.

Jason, what does OSR stand for? Also, what about house or apartments that have the smell, but you don't know where it is.....or you know it's pretty much in the carpet everywhere? I do have a water claw and I will start using it for where I know urine is.

Thanks
Dave

**Jason Whaley** · 07-04-2009, 09:31 AM

It is pros Choice line for pet stains. OSR stands for Odor Stain Rescue.

To find hidden stains the only way is with a UV light. Or you can crawl around on your hands and knees sniffing like a dog! (been there done that)

**C Spot Stop** · 07-04-2009, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by Jason Whaley

......Or you can crawl around on your hands and knees sniffing like a dog! (been there done that)

This method caused me to sniff so much pee and acid (to undo the do) that I had a major reaction and was sick..violently sick....for three solid days.

The first few sniffs were fine, but as I smelled more I got used to it so smelling it became more difficult. so, I'd sniff harder...

Suffice to say: I don't like urine gigs now. I need one of them CFI/FBI helicopter-mounted thingamajigs.
Wow..just writing about it reminds me how much I hate sniffing pee.

**leofry** · 07-06-2009, 01:57 PM

I love the way the water claw works for spots like this. buttttt.. if they have a lot of urine then I really dont like soaking that much carpet. one or two spots great but if its all over.. then i really dont like to do it...

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