Thread: RED DYE REMOVER/ Stain Magic

Professional formulated products also contains surfactants to help them penetrate, stabilizers to give longer shelf life and other ingredients. Although good results are certainly possible with "home-Brewed" products, you have all the liability. You are even legally responsible for producting a MSDS each time you mix your own products this way.

So, you might be able to mix-up up a concoction that works "pretty good" and do it for $5 per bottle instead of $15 per bottle. You add an extra trip to Sally's to save that $10 and take on a lot of responsibility and liability.

Originally Posted by idreadnought

I only mix what I need and wash out the container on each use so msds is not really necesarry. Wouldn't you technically need one if you mixed the two part red relief or stain magic?

An MSDS is required if you are the creator of the chemical. So even if you just mix it up for the job, you could be asked to show an MSDS.

The mfgs. MSDS covers both the two separate parts and the mixture since the instructions on the label state that it should be mixed. So, you don't need another MSDS.

Accidents can happen. Suppose a child picks up your home brew and drinks it. I know the chances are slim but it could happen. As far as OSHA or a customer goes you are probably right and will never or very rarely be asked to show a MSDS. I have had two or three customers over the last 10 years that wanted to see the MSDS for the products I was using but that is not the reason I carry them. I carry them because you never know when an accident will happen and its better to be prepared for when or if it does happen!

Each year, about 91,000 kids ages 14 and under are treated in emergency rooms for accidental poisoning and about 100 die. Nearly 90 percent of these toxic exposures occur in the home, and over 40 percent of the time, these poisonings involve medications. Cosmetics, cleansers, personal care products, plants, pesticides, art supplies, alcohol and toys are also responsible for accidental poisonings.

I am not a chemist so I leave that to the professionals!

Just my .02

So if I take coffee stain remover meta bisulfite and a squirt of heavy duty soil lifter mixed together Iam now a chemist? and squirt this on a red stain use an iron and presto it doesnt work as well as Red one or as fast but it will take 90% of the stain most of the time without hurting the carpet I like red one with a iron but if Im out I can make my brew and it makes people say **** your good.

then does using the msds sheet for each individual product work or do I need a whole new one???

Sam / Clayton - If you mix two products in a manner not discussed on the label or the manufacturer of the product, legally you become the formulator. You must have the MSDS for that new product you created. Also if anyone claims to be hared and sues you. You are liable. The manufacturer of either product willnot stand behind you.

This liability issues adds mcuh to the cost of formulated products.

I believe Coffee stain remover would be more like stain magic that red removal.

I don't want anyone to bleach out a carpet by appling heat to a homebrew.


Be aware that heating an oxidizer can cause bleaching.

A good way to buy a carpet.

I know of cleaners that have sworn by homebrew for years that ended up buying carpets from damange caused by their formulations.

(They thought they were going just to brighten it a little bit.)

You guys are going to scare the rookies !

Technically, as a professional carpet cleaner you are mixing different products all the time to achieve different results and should be prepared to do so on each job you encounter. Knowing your chemistry is important in the world of dealing with stain removal techniques.

Stain Magic goes bad very quickly when left in the truck, just as my peroxide and ammonia do. I keep double strength ammonia and 40 volume on the truck in separate bottles and put a sprayer on each bottle when I need to use it.

I, personally, have never encountered a situation that I ruined someones carpet from using this mixture- I suppose you could... if you applied the product to liberally and used to much heat, but this is a rarity at best.

Just about every single product for carpet cleaners is dramatically overpriced if you ask me... so i see no problem with taking control and saving money in the process. If product costs came down I think carpet cleaners would be more likely to purchase on a regular basis as opposed to searching for cheaper alternatives. That's just my opinion though.